Niels, I saw it at VSOC outside Amsterdam. Very nice guy runs the place and they had several outstanding cars. Boxer42
The Search Begins ... and has Finished
I appreciate everyone's help and advise on vintage 2+2's. I have narrowed my choices down to either a 330 GT 2+2 SII or a 365 GT 2+2. My plan is to now begin the search for the right car at the right price. Periodically I will post updates on progress. Plan is to get a driver, in good condition, which should need not much more than regular servcing over the next several years. Hope to have the car in my garage by next summer. Any and all advise on where to start looking (either Europe or North America) would be appreciated. :work:
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For us VSOC is not near Amsterdam ;-) but near Leiden or the Hague! Such a small country, 30 km away from a city is not close ;-) Van Vliet has some nice modern cars occassionally and they seem to get them from other dealers. The Barchetta they have for sale at the moment comes from De Groot Exceptional Cars from Soesterberg and some others have been at other dealers. It seems that the same cars are offered again and again here :-(
Niels
Niels
I'm sure France and Italy has more of the old Ferrari and with LHD. RHD drive cars in a LHD country is a bit dodgy.
The car Niel's is referring to is a LHD and was originally sold in France. It was imported into the Netherlands in the late 90's and had about Euro 40k of restoration work done to the body, electricals, exhaust, and suspension. I have not seen any RHD in LHD counttries as RHD normally command a premium price. I have seen some ex-Singapore cars ending up in the UK.
I've found a 330 GT RHD and a Bentley RHD in a LHD country. The 330 GT resides in Bruges, Belgium and the Bentley in Ostend, Belgium. I've got a pic of the 330 hanging around here, I'll post it as soon as I find it.
My mistake, to clarify the above, I have not seen any RHD on the market/for sale in LHD countries.Boxer42 said:The car Niel's is referring to is a LHD and was originally sold in France. It was imported into the Netherlands in the late 90's and had about Euro 40k of restoration work done to the body, electricals, exhaust, and suspension. I have not seen any RHD in LHD counttries as RHD normally command a premium price. I have seen some ex-Singapore cars ending up in the UK.
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A quick update, I have been in contact with several owners and dealers regarding a couple of different cars. Finding a 365 GT 2+2 that has been well cared for and has a reasonable asking price is a bit of a challenge. I think I may have found one that is of real interest as the current owner has taken very good care of the car 8) . Still aiming to have it in my garage by next summer.
After my recent trip in the Boxer, I have to admit I have started to rethink the wisdom of a Vintage 2+2 vs a 2 seat GT. Any thoughts ?
Dino 246 in a heart beat. You will thank me in the future. You already have the best 2+2 from Ferrari and I think you'll enjoy another 2 seater GT.Boxer42 said:After my recent trip in the Boxer, I have to admit I have started to rethink the wisdom of a Vintage 2+2 vs a 2 seat GT. Any thoughts ?
Boxer,
IMO it's difficult to compare a 2 + 2 with a 2 seater GT, certainly not comparing a 2+2 with a sporty beast as a Boxer. They have a different approach to get from point a to point b. It's what's you're looking for, the 2+2 will get there fast, is more luxurious, has more space, but is more docile. The 2seater GT would get you to point B faster, with possibly a more sportive drive (and I don't mean in speed only) and a bigger grin on your face AND the wife arriving a half hour later in her car and the luggage. Two different cars, two different approaches.
But, you know what you have now, you know the ups and downs of your Boxer, you'll never know what your getting in to when buying something else.
Jurgen
IMO it's difficult to compare a 2 + 2 with a 2 seater GT, certainly not comparing a 2+2 with a sporty beast as a Boxer. They have a different approach to get from point a to point b. It's what's you're looking for, the 2+2 will get there fast, is more luxurious, has more space, but is more docile. The 2seater GT would get you to point B faster, with possibly a more sportive drive (and I don't mean in speed only) and a bigger grin on your face AND the wife arriving a half hour later in her car and the luggage. Two different cars, two different approaches.
But, you know what you have now, you know the ups and downs of your Boxer, you'll never know what your getting in to when buying something else.
Jurgen
I looked at Dino 246's several times in the past. It looks great from any angle. My problem is I am over 6" and the drivers seat is a very tight fit. Also tough to find one without major rust issues. It is one of my favorite designs.Enzo250GTO said:Dino 246 in a heart beat. You will thank me in the future. You already have the best 2+2 from Ferrari and I think you'll enjoy another 2 seater GT.Boxer42 said:After my recent trip in the Boxer, I have to admit I have started to rethink the wisdom of a Vintage 2+2 vs a 2 seat GT. Any thoughts ?
Jurgen, I agree, they are completely different. For the former I have that covered now with the 456 GT and it does all those things extremely well. On the latter, it is about the experience and the older the car, the more unique (whether you enjoy it or not) the driving experience is. Hence the rethink. 330 GTCDJ said:Boxer,
IMO it's difficult to compare a 2 + 2 with a 2 seater GT, certainly not comparing a 2+2 with a sporty beast as a Boxer. They have a different approach to get from point a to point b. It's what's you're looking for, the 2+2 will get there fast, is more luxurious, has more space, but is more docile. The 2seater GT would get you to point B faster, with possibly a more sportive drive (and I don't mean in speed only) and a bigger grin on your face AND the wife arriving a half hour later in her car and the luggage. Two different cars, two different approaches.
But, you know what you have now, you know the ups and downs of your Boxer, you'll never know what your getting in to when buying something else.
Jurgen
or a 365 GT4 BB (Daytona is out of the price range :-? ) ?not really
a 330 GTC (wich is seriously cool) goes for around 70.000 - 180.000 US$
a Daytona goes for 100.000 - 180.000 US$
or what about a 365 GTC/4 those are very cool aswell
and usually go for 40.000 - 90.000 US$
a 330 GTC (wich is seriously cool) goes for around 70.000 - 180.000 US$
a Daytona goes for 100.000 - 180.000 US$
or what about a 365 GTC/4 those are very cool aswell
and usually go for 40.000 - 90.000 US$
That is a car I forgot, the 365 GTC/4 I think is under valued. It has the retro 70s look with a splash of Daytona left in it. There have been a few for sale in the classifieds section.
how can you forget that car, it's cool and a lot rarer then a Daytona
and it's easyier to drive
and it's easyier to drive
I have driven a couple of 365 GTC/4, did not find them that involving. Perhaps due to all the power assistance features vs none in the 2 seat GT's of the same era. As a result, they are much easier to drive than either a Daytona or Boxer and look great in the darker colors. I have heard stories about nightmare maintenance costs. They are much more of a highway cruiser than a back road blaster. For the long hauls, my feeling is that the 456 GT does basically the same thing, for the same price, but with technology that is 20 years newer.
yes it is more of a cruiser, and yes this car really does look better in dark colours
last year there was an amazing grey one at Gstaad, man that looked so good
last year there was an amazing grey one at Gstaad, man that looked so good
I remember seeing that car. I believe it was in outstanding condition after going through a very expensive retoration (cost was about double the value of the car). I will be very interested to see what Bonham's has on offer this year.
yes, it was in prefect condition and sold for 103.000 US$
and that's funny that you where also at Gstaad last year, normally i'm there again this year aswell
and well i already know for certain that they will have a Daytona, a 250 GT Spider California & a 750 Monza this year
and that's funny that you where also at Gstaad last year, normally i'm there again this year aswell
and well i already know for certain that they will have a Daytona, a 250 GT Spider California & a 750 Monza this year
Unfortunately, I am going to miss it by a week this year. It is a great show.
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