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But i have a man on the inside that lets me in with my sons to have a nosey about when every one has gone home;).
Around back is a few A1GP 599 saftey carsas well. Enjoy.
 

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We have one at the Bosses Portagul Villa that we knock around in when we are there. Amazing car, though cause us a lot of problems when we had it knew. It would not select neutral so the bugger cut out and would not start.
It went back to Lisbon 3 times until it was right. Turns out to be a over heated Gearbox Parameter sensor.
Now its just parked in the garage and has not been moved in 5 months.
 

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If the dealership was closed, and considering the photographic evidence that there are tens of Ferraris parked without cover on a parking lot, then I would have to assume this is normal practice for them.

Sorry, but to say that that doesn't impress me is an understatement of colossal magnitude. None of Ferrari specialists and dealers I have experience with would allow this to happen. Am I jumping the gun here?

This is not to say that I didn't enjoy the photos, just struck me as odd, that's all.


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Onno, I agree with you. But if it is Graypaul they don't have enough room inside to store all of the cars they service. I would hope that the parking lot is very secure with 20 foot high electric razor wire fences guarded by rabid T-Rex's and a moat filled with Great Whites.
None of that would stop the rain, frost or snow though. All the more reason to deal with an independent who will treat the car like his own and not charge the same rates as the main dealers.
 

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If the dealership was closed, and considering the photographic evidence that there are tens of Ferraris parked without cover on a parking lot, then I would have to assume this is normal practice for them.

Sorry, but to say that that doesn't impress me is an understatement of colossal magnitude. None of Ferrari specialists and dealers I have experience with would allow this to happen. Am I jumping the gun here?

This is not to say that I didn't enjoy the photos, just struck me as odd, that's all.


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I am in utter and total agreement with you about this matter mate. It has always disgusted me that these valuable cars ARE left out in the rear carpark. Which by the way is not open to the public. The cars are parked there for days before the work and days after the work. Then they are valeted and prepared for the owners.
Believe me when i say that the car park at the rear is always full of Ferraris.
And this is a Ferrari main dealer, the largest in Europe. So yes i am 100% in agreement with your observations.
 

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If the dealership was closed, and considering the photographic evidence that there are tens of Ferraris parked without cover on a parking lot, then I would have to assume this is normal practice for them.

Sorry, but to say that that doesn't impress me is an understatement of colossal magnitude. None of Ferrari specialists and dealers I have experience with would allow this to happen. Am I jumping the gun here?

This is not to say that I didn't enjoy the photos, just struck me as odd, that's all.


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It is normal practice at many dealers that I know of and, if you visit the Ferrari factory, you'll see they leave the cars and bodyshells lying around outside too. A number of UK dealers also leave cars for sale out in the open all the time.

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It is normal practice at many dealers that I know of and, if you visit the Ferrari factory, you'll see they leave the cars and bodyshells lying around outside too. A number of UK dealers also leave cars for sale out in the open all the time.

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How does that make it right though? Leaving a body shell laying around at a factory is hardly the same as some one who has bought a £100,000+ car and have bought it up to concurs standard. Just to have it left in the open for what is sometimes a couple of weeks. They dont tell the owner that the car will be parked up do they.
Stradstones in Birmingham did the same, i have seen cars sat there for weeks on end gathering leaves and dust. But when the owners collects it he is no wiser.
It may be standard practice with alot of dealers but its no justification IMO.
Verdies dont do it they have units to store the cars.
I wonder is Lambo dealers do it??
 

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We have one at the Bosses Portagul Villa that we knock around in when we are there. Amazing car, though cause us a lot of problems when we had it knew. It would not select neutral so the bugger cut out and would not start.
It went back to Lisbon 3 times until it was right. Turns out to be a over heated Gearbox Parameter sensor.
Now its just parked in the garage and has not been moved in 5 months.
Was this the official dealer just outside of Lisbon ? If so, I have used them on a couple of occassions and have been unimpressed. Slow and expensive.
 

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That is very neat Chaz, thank you for sharing.

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It is normal practice at many dealers that I know of and, if you visit the Ferrari factory, you'll see they leave the cars and bodyshells lying around outside too. A number of UK dealers also leave cars for sale out in the open all the time.

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Well, so far I have yet to encounter a dealership or specialist that does this in Western Europe. I've visited 1 in the UK, 2 in Holland, 1 in Belgium and 1 in Germany. Since I have the choice, I certainly would move to the competition if my garage would do this on a regular basis.

As for Ferrari - perhaps they do that but at least then it is only once in the lifetime of the car, not every time it goes for a service. And at least the car will be inspected, and if necessary corrected, before it leaves. Can't see that happening at this dealer.


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It is probably OK to leave cars outside in Italy as the climate is far milder and less damp than the UK, and brand new Ferraris are probably better at resisting the elements than the older ones. I would be very worried if I had a 20/30 year old car that was left outside for two weeks in a damp British winter. I'm sure it would do the electrics the poor quality Italian steel and the paintwork no good.
That particular dealer is in the middle of a warehouse estate in Nottingham, you would think they could rent/buy a 100,000 sq ft warehouse and park their clients cars in there to protect them. It's not as though there is a shortage of empty warehouses with the current economic downturn.
The Sytner/Penske group must be able to afford better storage based on how much they charge an hour for labour.
 

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How does that make it right though? ...
I didn't say it made it right, I was only indicating that Graypaul are by no means unique in this. Personally, I'm not sure it would bother me all that much though. I mean, I have just taken the 550 down to Italy and back (visiting the World Finals and Maranello) and it was outside for the length of that trip and there was rain during the two weeks. But then equally I know people who don't take their cars out in the rain so I'm sure they would have an entirely different view.

...I would be very worried if I had a 20/30 year old car that was left outside for two weeks in a damp British winter...
I think the the older classic cars are usually stored inside, for example the 330 GTC in Chaz's pictures. Although, having said that there is a Dino outside and some 348s (and they're definitely classics:grin2:).

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I mean, I have just taken the 550 down to Italy and back (visiting the World Finals and Maranello) and it was outside for the length of that trip and there was rain during the two weeks.
You can only use cars outside and I've driven my 550 in horizontal rain several times - that's not the point I was making.

It's the fact that these cars get apparently left outside overnight, day after day. Bird sh*t, rain, possible hail, rocks or stones thrown up by passing cars, people walking by and scratching a vehicle (either intentional or by accident), theft risk increase, yobbo's throwing stones over the wall (welcome to the UK - come to think of it, my Alfa's window was smashed in Nottingham on my driveway).

It is also a known fact that acid rain has a detrimental effect on your paint - I don't get very anal about always driving in the dry but if you can avoid prolonged exposure to rain it is definitely going to make a difference. And then there's frost... definitely not good for your seals.

My car has been at my specialist's for months on end waiting for a part last winter - what if the car had been parked outside?

No thanks, I'll take my business elsewhere.


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Read about this 355 spider:shocked: on another forum. It has been sat at the rear of a dealer, who bought it in for a client. The client did not buy it and its been sat outside for two weeks:(
They are finally taking it in the showroom to present it for sale, or the poster says it will just go back out side. There all at it:shocked:
Snow is fast approaching the Midlands based Ferrari dealerships here in the UK as well.
So picture this. Your little prize winning Dino or any other Ferrari has gone to the dealers for work. Its winter so you accept it might be away from you for a month or so. In the mean time its left to the elements including snow. But it will be ok because by the time you pick it up it will be all valeted and you will be non the wiser:grin2:
Kind of reminds me of a baby sitter who smacks your child while you are away. but its ok because you are non the wiser:vanish:
 

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