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One would think that owning an Italian performance car which has a number of championships under its flag would give a car most worry free maintenance for a couple years under normal driving conditions.

But I would think otherwise with a Ferrari.

Just my opinion, correct me if I am wrong. From what I have read, not withstanding the labor costs, maintenance of any model Ferrari can be expensive. It seems that certain parts of a Ferrari seem to need replacing after 15,000 or less, as opposed to other less exotic cars in the $20K-40K range who may have lets say the cam belts replaced after 60K miles.

I would think that a Ferrari with its racing history would be able to build a car that can withstand normal driving condition and have its parts last longer than the lesser value cars. I understand that under racing conditions, the wear and tear is much harder that demands constant maintenance.

If I may ask that why under normal wear and tear conditions that our exotic Ferrari supposedly with a great history of racing have parts that seem to break down within a short number of miles (10K-15K) or not last. I own other luxury German and or Japanese make cars that are not as expensive that with great care and normal and maybe some occasional hard driving do not have a much problems with major mechanical parts even after 50K-60K miles, besides the replacement of brake pads and routine fluid changes.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not putting the Ferrari name down, I am just baffled at the maintenance costs for such a machine that should be able to withstand a reasonable test of time.

Still Ferrari has a great history and beautifully designed cars. I am sure we have some wonderful stories to share. (Great story by Boxer called Four Days in a F40 at the Ferrari Life Quarterly)
 

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Think you are responding to a common feeling.

But owning a Ferrari has other advantages/experiences.

I have driven via someone who worked at Porsche, a few of those vehicles and they are great, true, more easily maintained cars....but they are not a Ferrari for many reasons: commonality, in looks and volume, they don't have the 'nuances[bothersome or not in terms of mainteanance]' or driver's feel on the road.

they don't turn heads and for all the more simple reasons of such, I guess that's why I do tolerate the experience.

However, I TOTALLY agree the engineering should reflect the technology of a high-performance car that touts F1 experience...deplorable IMO and THAT makes me truly, almost angry: How can someone who has been in the business for 60 years and in the high-performance game be so lame as to design an engine out tune job, or even valve guides that go defunct every 20k miles, or motor mounts in 15k miles??? [we are talking a 90's car here] or timing belt that actually needs replacing in less than 50k for normal driving. That doesn't make sense.

Buuut still love the car and we have fun.....not so in our Volvo, Chev truck or whatever.........FWIW
 

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Think you are responding to a common feeling.

But owning a Ferrari has other advantages/experiences.

I have driven via someone who worked at Porsche, a few of those vehicles and they are great, true, more easily maintained cars....but they are not a Ferrari for many reasons: commonality, in looks and volume, they don't have the 'nuances[bothersome or not in terms of mainteanance]' or driver's feel on the road.

they don't turn heads and for all the more simple reasons of such, I guess that's why I do tolerate the experience.

However, I TOTALLY agree the engineering should reflect the technology of a high-performance car that touts F1 experience...deplorable IMO and THAT makes me truly, almost angry: How can someone who has been in the business for 60 years and in the high-performance game be so lame as to design an engine out tune job, or even valve guides that go defunct every 20k miles, or motor mounts in 15k miles??? [we are talking a 90's car here] or timing belt that actually needs replacing in less than 50k for normal driving. That doesn't make sense.

Buuut still love the car and we have fun.....not so in our Volvo, Chev truck or whatever.........FWIW
Yes, indeed those Ferrari's do turn heads as opposed to its german and japanese (not even in ferrari's league - different topic) counterparts, but why do we have to pay the price of having supposedly top technology that has a short shelf life.

Really frustrating...but its what separates Ferrari's from the rest. I guess they would be the elite group.

But once you hear those engines...you forget everything else and enjoy the cacophony of moving metal and exhaust gases.

I certainly would love the stares and sense of accomplishment that I finally got my dream :D
 

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Yes, indeed those Ferrari's do turn heads as opposed to its german and japanese (not even in ferrari's league - different topic) counterparts, but why do we have to pay the price of having supposedly top technology that has a short shelf life.

Really frustrating...but its what separates Ferrari's from the rest. I guess they would be the elite group.

But once you hear those engines...you forget everything else and enjoy the cacophony of moving metal and exhaust gases.

I certainly would love the stares and sense of accomplishment that I finally got my dream :D
Yes, the side effects are GREAT, but here is what EVERY Ferrari owner dreads and has on their mind as they drive: will it break today......and if so, what do I do next and how do I handle my public face.

really should have the common items more high performance....I like the driving experience [Owned many vehicles including a Model T ford Pickup--hand made bed] that was a TRUE driving experience, but sometimes I feel I'm driving the Ford T and not the Mondial T in similar considerations....<BUT could get the Ford T on the road with wire and tape!!!!>

ALSO, on the older cars both mine south of 15 years old, I DON'T want to push it over the speed limit all the time.....makes me wonder what wheel will fly off.....

won't stop me from having a Ferrari in the garage thought :)
 

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In 18 months of ownership, I can't really say I've had any problems except a rear wheel baring going, but that could go on any car that's 17 yrs old. To be fair the dealer I bought it from fixed it under warranty.

Because you hear so many horror stories about the cost of repairs, it's always at the back on my mind that if it goes wrong in a big way it's time to re-mortgage my house, or get rid of the car quickly and accept I've lost money.

I agree that the cars should have bullet proof reliability like the german and japanese cars, but if they did, they wouldn't be ferrari. I think part of the romance is that they are temperamental and gorgeous to look at, just like a beautiful woman, and you have to put up with the bad points if you want the benefits of people saying, look a ferrari.
Let's just hope they don't say, look a ferrari, and it's broken down hahaha;)
 

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Imagine the embarrassment of dating a supermodel, then on a public sidewalk she slaps you.

I don't know if I would have the rocks to take that.

I understand Ferrari's racing history, but why should being temperamental be part of that history?
 

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ALSO, on the older cars both mine south of 15 years old, I DON'T want to push it over the speed limit all the time.....makes me wonder what wheel will fly off.....

won't stop me from having a Ferrari in the garage thought :)
Whoa, if its that bad I better reconsider then getting my F355. :D
I don't think I would like a wheel coming off at 150MPH :eek:
 

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In 18 months of ownership, I can't really say I've had any problems except a rear wheel baring going, but that could go on any car that's 17 yrs old. To be fair the dealer I bought it from fixed it under warranty.

Because you hear so many horror stories about the cost of repairs, it's always at the back on my mind that if it goes wrong in a big way it's time to re-mortgage my house, or get rid of the car quickly and accept I've lost money.

I agree that the cars should have bullet proof reliability like the german and japanese cars, but if they did, they wouldn't be ferrari. I think part of the romance is that they are temperamental and gorgeous to look at, just like a beautiful woman, and you have to put up with the bad points if you want the benefits of people saying, look a ferrari.
Let's just hope they don't say, look a ferrari, and it's broken down hahaha;)
Totally agree with you about how the Ferrari separates itself from the pretenders. I would wish that the temperamental part be replaced by steadfast and durable parts that explains the premium price we are paying for a Ferrari.

How many premium cars out there really reflect its long lasting and durable parts besides the standard brake pads and oil changes.
 

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How many premium cars out there really reflect its long lasting and durable parts besides the standard brake pads and oil changes.
Personally, I wouldn't class Porsche as a premium brand in the same category as ferrari. Apart from the small specialist manufacturers, I would only class Lambo & AM in the same bracket, and from what I've heard they are just as temperamental as ferrari's. I think it just goes with the territory.

I can't see ferrari really being too bothered about the reliability of 5 or 10 yr old cars, as they want to sell new cars. The people who buy the cars new get a 3 yr warranty and don't have to worry about reliability, and if they can afford a new Ferrari, they can probably afford to get it repaired if it;s outside of warranty.
 

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I've been a luck owner of Testarossas for 6 years now and do all my own work, including engine out services, etc. I have found that if you do routine maintenance, that these cars are very reliable. Ferraris because of their design intent don't always lead a sheltered life, some owners flog their cars hard, and put them away wet. They are more interested in the "moment" and don't worry about preventive maintenance, they just drive it till something breaks, and get it fixed. Then of course the owner and all his friends and aquaintances, and maybe even by-standers.....start talking about how the Ferrari broke. Before you know it it's on the evening news. And a somewhat false impression is given about these cars. This isn't helped by the trend of dealers and service centers putting fear in owner's heads about what could "potentially" break, and they had better bring the car in for some work (unnecessary at times). Sad but true. I routinely check my car over every week or two, just spend some time "bonding" with it. Look things over like wires, hoses, clamps, little odds and ends. If you take care of these cars they will reward you with nearly trouble-free enjoyment. There are some Ferrari-lemons sometimes. Because these cars are so high profile....word gets out quickly about "those fussy Italian cars" and what a pain they are to keep running, etc. I will say that Ferraris are pretty high strung, getting a lot of performance from a small package, and this can lead to some problems. The current F430 makes nearly 500 horsepower from only 4.3 liters, while the zo-6 vette uses 7 liters to make 505 horsepower. Just imagine if Ferrari made a 7 liter v-8 - it would be brutal. Sorry to get off on a tangent there. Yes some Ferraris do have known issues, but all car makers have them. Overall these cars are built very well. I do like the comparison of a Ferrari to a beautiful-yet-tempermental woman....sometimes that's true. But I wouldn't kick either one out of bed - would you? Sorry to rant so much....I didn't take my meds yet today....
 

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Whoa, if its that bad I better reconsider then getting my F355. :D
I don't think I would like a wheel coming off at 150MPH :eek:
Actually this is a good general comment about any performance car, airplane, boat or even skiis.

not meant to be a deal-killer....just keep the consideration that if you take VERY good care of something that is stressing a limit, you need to understand its LACK of capabilities too, which could be age related.
I've done acrobatics in planes over 50 years old and have only slight worry about their capabilities...matter of fact, I have more worries in the ultra-lite than old metal sometimes, but 'do think of it....'

more concerned if seatbelts don't work, tires loose tread, or bearings have a problem.
 

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I've been a luck owner of Testarossas for 6 years now and do all my own work, including engine out services, etc. I have found that if you do routine maintenance, that these cars are very reliable. Ferraris because of their design intent don't always lead a sheltered life, some owners flog their cars hard, and put them away wet. They are more interested in the "moment" and don't worry about preventive maintenance, they just drive it till something breaks, and get it fixed. Then of course the owner and all his friends and aquaintances, and maybe even by-standers.....start talking about how the Ferrari broke. Before you know it it's on the evening news. And a somewhat false impression is given about these cars. This isn't helped by the trend of dealers and service centers putting fear in owner's heads about what could "potentially" break, and they had better bring the car in for some work (unnecessary at times). Sad but true. I routinely check my car over every week or two, just spend some time "bonding" with it. Look things over like wires, hoses, clamps, little odds and ends. If you take care of these cars they will reward you with nearly trouble-free enjoyment. There are some Ferrari-lemons sometimes. Because these cars are so high profile....word gets out quickly about "those fussy Italian cars" and what a pain they are to keep running, etc. I will say that Ferraris are pretty high strung, getting a lot of performance from a small package, and this can lead to some problems. The current F430 makes nearly 500 horsepower from only 4.3 liters, while the zo-6 vette uses 7 liters to make 505 horsepower. Just imagine if Ferrari made a 7 liter v-8 - it would be brutal. Sorry to get off on a tangent there. Yes some Ferraris do have known issues, but all car makers have them. Overall these cars are built very well. I do like the comparison of a Ferrari to a beautiful-yet-tempermental woman....sometimes that's true. But I wouldn't kick either one out of bed - would you? Sorry to rant so much....I didn't take my meds yet today....
well written...you just established more of my faith in how a vehicle, ferrari in particular, if given tender loving care will give you a lenghty worry free romance.

i am one of those who can be meticolous and check every item, nook, and cranny.

yet, one can always be cautious with used vehicles and their previous owners care.
 

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well written...you just established more of my faith in how a vehicle, ferrari in particular, if given tender loving care will give you a lenghty worry free romance.

i am one of those who can be meticolous and check every item, nook, and cranny.

yet, one can always be cautious with used vehicles and their previous owners care.
I am very much on board with carguy's comments. Ferraris are very high performance machines. They are not Hondas. You need to treat them as such. Stick your head in the engine bay on a regular basis, check tire pressure once a month, warm the car up properly, check fluid levels, etc. Service it at least once a year, regardless of mileage. Treat it with respect and you should be fine.

I have been told a number of times that Ferraris eat clutches and have weak transmissions only to find out the rocket scientist in question has a fetish for revving to 4500 rpm and then dumping the clutch. How would you feel if someone kicked you out of bed in the morning and immediately demanded that you sprint a hundred years....shredded hamstrings anyone?
 

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...Service it at least once a year, regardless of mileage. Treat it with respect and you should be fine.
Boxer, do you mean a major service every year. Isnt that a bit extreme, lets say for someone who may log in about 2-3K miles a year.
 

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Boxer, do you mean a major service every year. Isnt that a bit extreme, lets say for someone who may log in about 2-3K miles a year.

I think what he means is what Ferrari recommends, and what I do, also. I replace ALL fluids, cheap investment and probably not necessary but get someone in there to not only check the areas, but replace fluids before they become corrosive or break down. Fluids are a cheap prevention. Do during the winter when not driving.

I treat my F cars like [from memory] my horses. Proper warmup, small trots then when ready a gallop and performance...oh yes' PROPER cool down too.
garage them, well, wipe them down and feed them normally and they will last, last and do well.
take to check up with [car] Dr. every year or on issues and you'll have fun and sleep better.

when periodic colds or sneezes come, take care.

lastly: Mondial T is more of a Pony, great in climbs and curves, and 456 is a BEAST which is great for haulin' a**s on gallops

just my expression, I know a lot of people refer theirs to women.....but, after having spent many years in the navy.....not the same temperament...more like horses.....ships are women
 

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I think what he means is what Ferrari recommends, and what I do, also. I replace ALL fluids, cheap investment and probably not necessary but get someone in there to not only check the areas, but replace fluids before they become corrosive or break down. Fluids are a cheap prevention. Do during the winter when not driving.

I treat my F cars like [from memory] my horses. Proper warmup, small trots then when ready a gallop and performance...oh yes' PROPER cool down too.
garage them, well, wipe them down and feed them normally and they will last, last and do well.
take to check up with [car] Dr. every year or on issues and you'll have fun and sleep better.

when periodic colds or sneezes come, take care.

lastly: Mondial T is more of a Pony, great in climbs and curves, and 456 is a BEAST which is great for haulin' a**s on gallops

just my expression, I know a lot of people refer theirs to women.....but, after having spent many years in the navy.....not the same temperament...more like horses.....ships are women
Quite irony how the ferrari with the prancing horse logo be handle like horses. Now its clear how decades ago ferrari picked this logo. If they are to be cared like horses then it shall then.

Thanks for the tip about warming up, then going full gallop. I will always keep what you had mentioned in mind :)

I am going to test drive 2 this weekend, hopefully everything fits in place.
 
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