Oil filters on 308

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Dan Tosi

Discussion Starter · Aug 21, 2002

Hi everyone, Hate to beat a dead horse, but this oil filter thing has me stumped. Oil psi on start up getting slower, so I shut the car off and let it sit for 24 hours. Pulled off the fram filter I got from a ferrari dealer, not a drop in it. Let it sit mounting face up, looked in with a shop light no oil.
Dealers going to send a new one, any ideas??? Dan

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Dan Tosi

Discussion Starter · #21 · Sep 2, 2002

Hi Guys, Started the car with my new Fram filter. Needless to say it was bone dry. It took 8 seconds for psi(thats at a low idle, about 600 rpms as my car doesnt go into high idle). When warm, I get psi in about 2 secs,
so Im going look for a UFI again. Any one know the one we need,and where to get one? Thanks Dan

BRUNO

· #22 · Sep 2, 2002

You can get ufi from Ferrari.It is outrageous. I will lokk and post ufi part#.
Magoo, I hear that al the time but I lost points at a car show back in the 80's for having the fram instead of the ufi. Seems like his car is taking to long to pump up oil either way. 8 seconds from empty is a lot. I will time mine when I switch filters again with new. also my ufi is dripping out oil but slowly. I will post when it is empty. Guessing about 10 days. If that is so must start car 1 time a week to keep it filled.When in winter storage it doesnt matter to me.

Magoo

· #23 · Sep 2, 2002

Bruno, I can't see why they would gig you at the show on the Fram filter since it is orig. recommend. Maybe they didn't know what the recommended filter was on a older car. Anyway I am not trying to sell Fram here. I still think Baldwin is the best of the bunch. I also agree that 8 secs is wayyy too long for pressure at the guage. I still can't get Dan to tell me if the light goes out sooner then the needle in the guage goes up. He could have a sticking needle in the guage which is causing the problem of looking like it is not picking up pressure. Earlier in one of his posts he mentions that the light goes out in a couple of secs. Not being there I can't read it.

Dan Tosi

Discussion Starter · #24 · Sep 2, 2002

Magoo, THe light goes out maybe 1 to 2 secs. before the needle jumps up.
So thats still 6-7 secs. for psi. That of coarse is stone cold. When warm I
get psi very quickly. Bruno, my dealer has 0 UFI filters because ferrari
tells them to use the frams. Dan

Magoo

· #25 · Sep 2, 2002

OK Dan, Not to beat a dead horse as you would say but let me try again. On cold start, having set overnight, when the engine starts, if the red light takes 2 to 3 secs. to go out and the needle takes another 4 secs to jump and you have a total of 6-7secs then the needle is sticking and there is no problem. My guage does the same thing and when I tap on the guage the needle goes up immediately. Changing filters will not solve it.

BRUNO

· #26 · Sep 2, 2002

Guys I aint dishing the Ferrari fram recommendation. My current experiment between fram,mobil 1, and UFI has UFI the winner. I dont have a baldwin on any of my cars to test. Magoo Did you ever change the baldwin and leave it upside down for a few days to see if it drains????
I used frams since the 80's. I am geting convinced to go to the UFI however.

Magoo

· #27 · Sep 3, 2002

No Bruno, I haven't checked a Baldwin But there are a lot of guys I know who swear by them. I think they all leak off over time. I also know a lot of guys have sworn off the UFI since the filter oil seal to the filter mount on the motor was blowing out and pumping oil onto the engine. There were many. I don't know if they have that problem corrected or not. A lot of guys will not go near them now.

BRUNO

· #28 · Sep 3, 2002

Yes UFI had a recall.It is suppose to be fixed. What is the baldwin number for 308? Will try. The ufi does hold the oil back longer than fram and mobil 1. However even after an oil change with a new empty filter my pressure comes up in 2-3 seconds. Not 7-8. I think his gauge or sending unit is sticking. Also I am going to post a pick of the most worn area of the seat in my 400.Tell me if you think the dye we discussed will improve it or if I should leave it alone.

Magoo

· #29 · Sep 4, 2002

OK, Post the pic and I will give you my opinion.

Magoo

· #30 · Sep 4, 2002

Also Bruno, The Baldwin oil filter no. is B253.

Dan Tosi

Discussion Starter · #31 · Sep 4, 2002

Hey Guys, Talked to the parts Mangr. at the dealer today. He told me he got in some UFI filters, and I should have it by Wednesday. I'll post my cold start time to see if it is the filter or something else. If anybody is interested, its Continental Auto Sports in Hinsdale Ill. Phone is
630-655-3535 parts mangr. is Randy. Dan

Dan Tosi

Discussion Starter · #32 · Sep 4, 2002

Hey Guys, Talked to the parts Mangr. at the dealer today. He told me he got in some UFI filters, and I should have it by Wednesday. I'll post my cold start time to see if it is the filter or something else. If anybody is interested, its Continental Auto Sports in Hinsdale Ill. Phone is
630-655-3535 parts mangr. is Randy. Dan

BRUNO

· #33 · Nov 17, 2002

That UFI filter I turned upside down back when this thread started just now stopped leaking oil.The Fram has been empty. Looks like the UFI does retain the oil and prevent bleed down better than the fram. When I pull the baldwins off my 400 I will test them also.

ferrari01

· #34 · Nov 17, 2002

Oil filters/drainback

In 5/90 I was told that in South Florida they had experienced flow/filtration problems with Ufi and Baldwin filters, and that the Fram 2804-1 was recommended. I had been using Baldwin filters and switched. I've always had a concern for dry start-ups, and in 2/93 installed a Mecca 2429 check valve in the line that goes from the block to the oil filter base. This line also includes aftermarket front-mounted and OE oil coolers. Prior to installing, this valve was subjected to a month's testing using a variety of low viscosity fluids, including 3-In-1 oil, gasoline, and Mobil 1 15W-50. Zero leakage. The valve, which requires only the slightest pressure to open was also satisfactorily pre-tested for flow. I've checked the oil pressure light with a stopwatch several times in a variety of temperatures and consistently found it to go out in about 1.5 seconds, with the gauge needle moving instantly thereafter. The only drawback is the valve's weight, and that was mitigated by placing it closest to the block fitting, and wrapin it in a layer of neopreme held in place with zipties.

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BRUNO

· #35 · Nov 17, 2002

got any pics of the installed valve?

Magoo

· #36 · Nov 20, 2002

How does the line hook up to the bottom of the filter. Is it another olate that screws on the existing oil filter plate?

Magoo

· #37 · Nov 20, 2002

That typo should not be olate but "plate."

ferrari01

· #38 · Nov 25, 2002

308 oil filters/anti drainback valve

No photos, though I should be able to shoot a couple next weekend. Obstructions may prevent clear views. Setup is nothing fancy, just Aeroquip lines & fittings. Lines route oil through the coolers (first front, then standard rear) before entering the filter base, where the line attaches in the usual manner.

Andrew

· #39 · Nov 25, 2002

Re: 308 oil filters/anti drainback valve

ferrari01 said:
No photos, though I should be able to shoot a couple next weekend. Obstructions may prevent clear views. Setup is nothing fancy, just Aeroquip lines & fittings. Lines route oil through the coolers (first front, then standard rear) before entering the filter base, where the line attaches in the usual manner.

Welcome to the forum. Look forward to seeing those pictures as I'm sure most the guys in this section are. After switching to the Mecca line filter what filter did you switch to?

ferrari01

· #40 · Dec 2, 2002

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308 oil filters/anti drainback valve

Thanks. Top and bottom views are attached, though regretfully only the top and bottom of the valve are barely visible in each shot. Valve is black and wrapped in neopreme sheet held in place with zipties. The valve is downstream of the blue fittings in the top view, and since it's heavy for its size, would require a mounting bracket if fitted inline between the block and OE oil cooler. My car has a second (front) cooler through which the oil flows enroute to the rear cooler, and that is the reason for the valve's placement. Although the valve's direction of flow is clearly marked, I'd ask anyone choosing to try it to please check their work carefully prior to firing the engine, as an error would surely be disasterous.
Previous filters were Ufi and Baldwin 253. I've never been a fan of Fram's filtration based on tests seen in the stoneage, but have religiously used their 2804-1 with standtube for years on this car based on others' recommendations; not that they were great filters, but rather that other brands seemed to have had their own other problems. Have occasionally seen Fram PH8A and HP-1 filters used by Ferrari owners, and hope none of you are using them, since they lack the standtube.

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