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Look at these attached pics. There are a lot of teams struggling with new wings due to new regulations, the front wing has to be higher, so less downforce can be generated. What suprises me most is that the front wing of Ferrari is not even symmetrical. Is this due to left or right turning circuits, or because some parts of the car need extra cooling?
 

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I think it's a construction error like the Enzo clutch and the 355 electrical problems.

Or maybe they just don't know what to do with the new FIA regulations and they're just messing around.

Or maybe they are just messing with our heads. So that the general public scratches itself behind the ears and goes crazy with such a weird design.

I'm blaming bad design though... but that's just because I don't like ferrari.
 

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I think it's due to left or right turning circuits. If it's not totally evenly arched then what I'm sayong is correct. Or it's a design error. I don't know if anyone but Ferrari knows at this point.
 

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Maybe the picture was photoshopped to annoy us :green:
 

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I'm revising my opinion.

ferrari didn't do it... Bob did.

How dare you DrBob ?? You seem like such a nice little boy but then you do this. It's truely amazing... I'm calling your mother...
 

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And now a serious reply:

I don't see how an a-symmetrical front wing helps in cornering a clock-wise circuit (or counter for that matter) since it's only a marginal difference in corners. Besides... most circuits seem (to me) to have a wide variety of corners which also kind of negates the effect of a left or right wing (gee... sounds political). The only circuits I can think of which supports this thing is Indianapolis (and only the banked corners) and Monza (since it's a lot of going right there)

Maybe that Jean Todt can explain it to me...
 

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A circuit always has more going right than left, except for Suzuka, since they have a bridge and drive 8s instead of circles.
 

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they are probably just messing around a bit and experimenting while they can
i doubt that the FIA will allow that wing to race, or not for long at least
 

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Dj Dirk said:
they are probably just messing around a bit and experimenting while they can
i doubt that the FIA will allow that wing to race, or not for long at least
Thank you! I am now unconfused.
God, I've been puzzling over this all day. :roll:
 

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Dr. Bob said:
Look at these attached pics. There are a lot of teams struggling with new wings due to new regulations, the front wing has to be higher, so less downforce can be generated. What suprises me most is that the front wing of Ferrari is not even symmetrical. Is this due to left or right turning circuits, or because some parts of the car need extra cooling?
It looks symmetrical to me. What part of it do you see on one side that doesn't match the other? Maybe I'm missing something but I'm usually very good at catching this kind of thing.

If you're referring to the bit hanging down in front (we'll call this the "appendage") of the normal looking wing; that appears to be where the loop-hole in the rules is.

The closer you get that wing to the ground the more downforce it'll develop. Which is why the FIA decided to raise the front wings to reduce downforce. This is because the air gets squeezed between the ground and the wing and increases the acceleration of the air under it. When the air under the wing is faster than the air over it a high pressure (downforce) area is created on top and a low on the bottom. The "appendage" although small (and ugly) is still creating downforce and more than if it were higher up.

It's all more complicated than that naturally, but in the interest of time the answer is:

Ferrari saw a loop-hole in the rules to add another wing lower than what the rules stated and did so. Remeber the X-Wings that appeared in the late 90s and then again on the front of the Orange Arrows in the 2001 Monaco GP? Same thing.

Now, whether or not Bernie will tell Ferrari to get rid of it's Appendage as he did then remains to be seen. If he doesn't I'll bet you'll probably see more teams showing up to testing with the same style front.
 

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Very close ..... but you're all missing one vital detail.

Ferrari have cleverly circumvented FIA's ban on movable wings by making a "non-wing" appendage below the nose and then computer-linked it to the steering system. Turning the wheel slightly to the left moves the whole appendage towards the left side of the nose and vice-versa when steering to the right. This produces an assymetrical downforce onto the front tyres, loading the inside tyre more than the outer one. This has always been a "Holy Grail" of suspension tuning, as tyres have non-linear grip vs load behaviour and the maximum lateral force for each end of a vehicle will be generated by both tyres having equal load rather than one tyre (outer) heavily loaded and one (inner) lightly loaded.

So it's not fixed in the assymmetrical position, it just looks like it. Ferrari you're brilliant!
 

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I do not believe it is non-fixed, look at the 2nd picture I posted. It looks like the small part is really fixed to the normal wing.
Senna I will post the first picture again, and I have noted in blue what I mean. The small part what you are talking about is placed to the left side of the wing. And 4kids3fish, in this picture the wheels are in a straight position, so I really think your story is not correct.
 

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Dr. Bob said:
I do not believe it is non-fixed, look at the 2nd picture I posted. It looks like the small part is really fixed to the normal wing.
Senna I will post the first picture again, and I have noted in blue what I mean. The small part what you are talking about is placed to the left side of the wing. And 4kids3fish, in this picture the wheels are in a straight position, so I really think your story is not correct.
I'm saying it's fixed as well. It looks it to me and I haven't read anything otherwise.

But, you could be right on it's placement. Although what you/we've seen might just be an optical illusion. That end plate on our left (2cm) extends out quite far and may due to the angle the photo was taken at may give the impression the distance is shorter than it is.

I'll try to do some hunting around and see if I can see any other photos with a straight shot from the front.
 

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The 2 and 10 cm are just examples to show what side is further off. I have no idea how many cm it is. So if it is fixed, to the wing, maybe for left or right driving circuits? I will look for some more pics to see if they also show the wing this way.
 

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I think it is an optical illusion
Here a link to testing in barcelona: http://www.f1racing.nl/nl/gallery.php?catID=1

On one shot it looks positioned to the left, another pic to the right, and the more the shot is taken from the front, the more it looks in the middle. Because the small part is placed more to the front, it sticks out, so that gives an optical illusion.
 
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