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Anyone out there wants Lewis Hamilton to drive for Ferrari?
Kimi and Lewis on the same team is that too much?
Will Ferrari come back next Year and kick some?
 

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So you're saying that Massa should leave and Kimi should stay? I think Massa has proved himself much more worthy of the WC title in 2008 than Kimi. Kimi really was all over the place this year.

And no, I don't want Lewis in a Ferrari, but that won't happen anyway since he is practically Ron Dennis' adopted son.

"Will Ferrari come back?". Newsflash: Ferrari is World Champion 2008. They just didn't get the drivers title, by 1 point. That would hardly be called a miserable season.

Ferrari had the better car and Felipe actually made fewer errors than Lewis throughout the season (just check the article on formula1 dot com). He was just unlucky with team stuff-ups and two blown engines for guaranteed podium finishes.

I think Lewis was thoroughly unimpressive yesterday, and damn lucky to scrape through. So all Ferrari need to do is be a little more German and a little less Italian and they'll take the double-crown next year. Without LH.


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I agree with most of what Onno said.

Lewis sold his soul to McLaren many years ago, as long as they keep building a reliable and a winning car and as long as he wins races and is competing for the drivers title he won't be going anywhere.

I would love to see LH at Ferrari, but it isn't going to happen any time soon.
 

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So you're saying that Massa should leave and Kimi should stay? I think Massa has proved himself much more worthy of the WC title in 2008 than Kimi. Kimi really was all over the place this year.

And no, I don't want Lewis in a Ferrari, but that won't happen anyway since he is practically Ron Dennis' adopted son.

"Will Ferrari come back?". Newsflash: Ferrari is World Champion 2008. They just didn't get the drivers title, by 1 point. That would hardly be called a miserable season.

Ferrari had the better car and Felipe actually made fewer errors than Lewis throughout the season (just check the article on formula1 dot com). He was just unlucky with team stuff-ups and two blown engines for guaranteed podium finishes.

I think Lewis was thoroughly unimpressive yesterday, and damn lucky to scrape through. So all Ferrari need to do is be a little more German and a little less Italian and they'll take the double-crown next year. Without LH.


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100% agree with Onno.

I would add that although LH is a good driver he has yet to prove himself to be a great driver (yesterday was a case in point). Many drivers who have shown promise early in their careers have fizzled out after a few seasons. Coulthard and Button come immediately to mind. Mansell, Hill and J. Villeneuve declined after winning the World Championship just once - all were hailed as being the mutts nutts.




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Lewis sold his soul to McLaren many years ago, as long as they keep building a reliable and a winning car and as long as he wins races and is competing for the drivers title he won't be going anywhere.
Good point Archie. The question I would ask is, would Lewis Hamilton be able to compete in another team on equal terms with another driver?


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Hamilton driving for Ferrari is as likely as Monaco winning the next World Cup.

Hamilton is just a very good driver in a great car. He has yet to prove (despite what the British press claims) that he is a great driver. The closest thing to a great driver in F1 now is Alonso and the last truly great one was Schumi. When Hamilton puts together 4-5 Drivers Championships, then we can consider him great.
 

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100% agree with Onno.

I would add that although LH is a good driver he has yet to prove himself to be a great driver (yesterday was a case in point).


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I don't think LH should be judged on yesterdays unimpressive race. He had quite clearly realised that overtaking people and fighting for the lead could potentially lose him the crown. So he just did what he had to and made sure he avoided any potentially tricky situations where he could have crashed or been given a penalty.

I agree he isn't a great driver yet, but he is better than most of his peers in F1 and over the last 2 years has scored more points than anyone else. People talk about Alonso being the best???? in 2007 he had the same equipment as LH and was matched if not beaten by LH, and Alonso's unsporting behaviour on many occasions showed what his real character is. How soon people forget that. Although I have to agree that Alonso has done a great job in the 2nd half of the season.

As you've come to expect from me over the last couple of years, I am a Hamilton fan and will always look for the positives in what he does.
 

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Good point Archie. The question I would ask is, would Lewis Hamilton be able to compete in another team on equal terms with another driver?


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Hard to say T1f, but I would expect that when he joined McL in 07 with the current X2 WC in his team he knew he was the understudy and matched if not bettered the No1 driver in a very short period of time.
 

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Hamilton has my respect. Winning in a Mercedes may be not such a big thing to do but Alonso and Kovalainen had their chance in the Mercedes as well and did not succeed. (Kimi as well, by the way)
I love Massa's temper and he will be "hot" for next season. My favorite "next" driver after Kimi's departure in 1,2 or 3 years will be VETTEL. Yes, I know that you are all loughing but Vettel is a phantastic driver and a "brain" in the way Lauda was. Why not reinitiate the German-Italian axle again. From a marketing point of view it would be great for Ferrari and Vettel. Just my 2 cents
 

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+1 for Vettel, he's the next great driver.

Right now, I think Alonso is the best, and no other is close to him. The next best thing would be Massa, then Hamilton, then Kimi.

Vettel and Kubica are the big promises right now, and I hope that they climb the steps to match the "big ones".

About Glock, I'm really not in the mood for him after yesterday!
 

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Onno summerized it great. And yes, Vettel was fantastic!

And although Alonso is indeed a good driver I don't like his 'spoiled kid' attitude, it makes him a lousy champ.
 

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Newsflash: Ferrari is World Champion 2008.
I think Lewis was thoroughly unimpressive yesterday, and damn lucky to scrape through. Onno
I don't think LH should be judged on yesterdays unimpressive race. He had quite clearly realised that overtaking people and fighting for the lead could potentially lose him the crown. So he just did what he had to and made sure he avoided any potentially tricky situations where he could have crashed or been given a penalty.
IMy favorite "next" driver after Kimi's departure in 1,2 or 3 years will be VETTEL.
JazzyO - I think people forgot that Ferrari won the Constructors Championship yesterday as it wasn't even mentioned by the commentators, as for us here in S.A we get the ITV broadcast from the U.K and they kept cutting to the Maclaren garage to film LH.

Archiegibbs - I understand what you are saying but LH should have still made the effort to move up higher in the grid to 100% gaurentee his win. But instead he took it easy and nearly lost the championship win by 1 position (being 6th) after Vettel went past him. Lewis had to wake up and drive of which he could have crashed as he had to push a bit in the rain to fight for that crucial 5th place. He got lucky and won with Glock struggling to keep the car on the track being on dry tyres otherwise LH would of still been in 6th. I'll be honest, I'm not a LH fan but for me he did not race for someone who really wanted to win the title.

212Export - I think Vettel did a fantastic job yesterday. He is definitely proving himself to be a winner.

Lets not forget Massa's great job he did over the weekend. He got pole position, set the fastest lap record of the race and to put the cherry on the top, he won it. Ferrari did everything right yesterday with thankfully no mistakes with the pit stops.
 

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Guys, I read this on a F1 news site :

Massa feared for Glock safety in Brazil

Massa feared that his Brazilian supporters at Interlagos might turn their frustration on members of the Japanese team.

Reports say that Massa sent his younger brother to the Toyota garage to advise team members to change out of their uniforms before leaving the circuit, located just outside sprawling Sao Paulo.

Apparently, Toyota figures did heed the warning, returning to their hotels or to the airport wearing Brazilian national team jerseys, or spare uniforms of the Renault or Ferrari teams.

Hamilton was not afraid to enter the city to celebrate his triumph on Sunday evening. He was spotted dining at a local steakhouse before partying with his entourage at an invitation-only nightclub party just after midnight.

And, just for the record, even the Briton's arch-enemy Fernando Alonso returned to the McLaren garage after the race on Sunday to personally congratulate Hamilton, the German newspaper Bild reported.

Record TV audiences for 2008 finale

France's TF1 said its record was achieved when more than 5 million viewers tuned in to the dramatic finale to the 2008 season.

In Germany, the average number of viewers of the free to air RTL coverage was 8.8 million.

For RTL, the peak audience of 9.46 million was recorded after the chequered flag, when an emotional Felipe Massa was presented with his race winner's trophy.

In Britain, the average audience was also nearly 9 million, as ITV televised its last race before the rights switch to the BBC from 2009.

The only sporting event with a higher peak audience (14.6m) in Britain this year was live coverage of the Champions League final between Manchester United and Chelsea in May.
 

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Guys, I read this on a F1 news site :


In Britain, the average audience was also nearly 9 million, as ITV televised its last race before the rights switch to the BBC from 2009.

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Not me, I wasn't interested, didn't bother watching it. Instead I watched the boring wall to wall coverage of Obama Vs Mccain ;-)


Vettel at Ferrari in a couple of years would be a very interesting prospect as he is a superb driver getting great results out of the Torros Rosso (better than his team mate who is a 3X Champ car winner). He is very friendly with Schumacher as he learned his craft on Schumi's family kart track in germany, and I'm sure Schumi will influence the bosses at Ferrari.
 

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Guys, I read this on a F1 news site :

Massa feared for Glock safety in Brazil
Massa was right and once again showed that he is a very nice person to everyone.

People here really got upset with Glock, and would easily give him a treat if they could.

Maybe you don't know how seriously the Brazilians take football (i.e., soccer) and Formula 1, but that was a real risk for Glock...
 

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As you've come to expect from me over the last couple of years, I am a Hamilton fan and will always look for the positives in what he does.
Its all good fun Arch! I had the same chat with a good friend today who is a total Mercedes aficionado (attached is a picture of his 190 SLR Macao Racer taken for Octane) I said exactly the same to him, the best man lost :wink3:.



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I think lots of people mistakenly think the McClaren is the best/ joint best car. You only have to look at Kovalienen's (excuse spelling) performances throughout the season to see that the McClaren is a clear third below Ferrari and the BMW.

For this reason Hamilton deserves a lot of credit, he won the title DESPITE of the car he was in. Alonsos bold showing this year shows just how good a driver Hamilton was last season, yet everyone now goes back to thinking he is just 'ok' despite being so much better than his team mate its untrue. And Kovalienen was thought to be highly promising last year.

Hamilton could get in any car next season and I believe would be better than his team mate given a level playng field. For this reason he has to be the best around.
 

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Well since i posted this thread here's what i think anyone can win a championship is already a great driver, so many races in one season yet in the end still can win and it doesn't matter if is one point or 20 points it doesn't matter, a championship is still a championship and thats what the history will tell ya! In regards to the comments above you guys sure have your points but the drivers you guys mentioned, Prost Senna Schi Mansell those are legardary drviers not just great drivers! LH is only 23 the youngest ever that alone is already kick ass, ask yourself what were you doing when your were 23? let alone a title is F1 that is fantasic, i hope i didn't piss anybody off but very interesting read all the comments thanks. Cool forum and cool guys!
 

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Just a thought...F1 is a business. At its core it is an entertainment business. Fan/audience interest and support is the base of its financial model. Having Hamilton win the Drivers Championship at the last second created huge buzz at the end of the season and sets up a great framework for 2009.

Outside of Brazil & Italy, does anyone think another Massa/Ferrari victory would have had the same impact as the Hamilton win ?
 
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