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As I almost finished writing the scripts for the model database at my new site, I figured it was time to do some research about F-cars.
I decided to start with models I never documented before but that interest me a lot, the 212 (Export and Inter).

After browsing the net and going through my books I found some mismatches and questions that I want to figure out.

Let’s start with the Export.
The FerrariLife database says that 10 212 Export Touring where build and 14 212 Export Vignale. That makes a total of 24 Export’s build in total. Barchetta.cc claims that there are 27 Export’s build. And when I count the number of Export Vignale’s in the registry, I count 20. For the Export Touring I count 11 in the registry. I figure that the registered information should be the most correct info, but am I right?

Then there might be a little mistake at the registry. #0190 says to be delivered in 1947. I think that’s not possible, because it’s the second to last 212 Export to have been build.

Another car #0131 E is delivered in 1953 according to the registry. Is this a mistake, or did something happen to the car it was not to be delivered until 1953. Looking at the vin it isn’t the last Export to be delivered right?

Now let’s look at the Inter.
The database says that there are 42 Inter Chia’s build and 36 Inter Vignale’s. That makes a total of 78. Looking at the names of the Export’s and Inter’s the name Vignale, Touring and Ghia stand for the coachbuilders. But 19 of the 36 Inter Vignale’s where build by Pininfarina (2 spiders and 17 Berlinetta’s?) right? Why did they not change the name? Or does the Vignale stand for something other then the coachbuilder?

General questions about the 212.
Did all 212 have the ‘Colombo’ V12 installed (except for some updates and small changes)? They probably did, but I couldn’t find any writing on this subject.

Last question I have is about the Type of cars. I have read that the 212 Export’s are Sportscars and the 212 Inter’s are GT’s is that right? If so what makes the difference?

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Nobody yet?

Well I did find some anwsers:

I have found that in total 27 Exports were build.
13 Export Vignale's (3 Spyders, 8 Barchetta's and 2 Convertibles).
10 Export Tourings (6 Spyders, 1 Barchetta and 3 Berlinetta's).
2 Exports by Moto (1 Berlinetta and 1 Spyder).
2 Exports by Fontana (2 Spyders).

I believe that #0190 and #0131 are delivered 1952 (#0131) and 1953 (#0190), but I couldn't find if I'm right.

Then the Inter.
I have found 82 Inter's to be build, but most sites and books claim there are only 78 or 80 build.
37 Inters by Vignale (13 Berlinetta's, 7 Convertibles, 15 Coupe's and 2 unknown).
16 Inters by Ghia (15 Coupe's and 1 Convertible).
7 Inters by Touring (1 Coupe and 6 Berlinetta's).
1 Inter by Abbott (1 Convertible claimed to be the most ugly Ferrari ever, but I didn't see any pics of it).
19 Inters by Pininfarina (2 Spyders, 6 Berlinetta's and 11 Coupe's).

The question is: am I right?
 

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Conflicting information is all part of the fun, isn't it ?
Don't know much about 212s but my only reference has 0131E as a 1951 car which was raced in the '52 Carrera Panamerica by Phil Hil to 6th O/A.
All cars appear to have been fitted with the Columbo 60 deg V12.
Do you have Exports 0239EU and 0292M listed seperately, as this is the same car renumbered !
The Abbott 212 0165EL certainly isn't the ugliest Ferrari I've ever seen, apparently it was later rebodied. A picture of it has appeared on Ferrarilife in the past.
I'll keep looking for any more info. :)
 

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More like a Fifties British convertible but then Abbott was a British coachbuilder ! Lacks that Italian touch.
 

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Marlin you are so right. Conflicting information is fun. Especially when it looks like you're getting further. Somebody may have done research before, but it's to much fun doing it...

marlin said:
More like a Fifties British convertible but then Abbott was a British coachbuilder ! Lacks that Italian touch.
Not my taste, but she's not so ugly as I tought...

marlin said:
Here are the only 212's I've ever seen. 0259EU at Goodwood in '99 and 0128E at the Tour Auto in 2001.
Marlin, can I use these pics for my site? I can tell copyright if you want to.
 

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Don't know much about 212s but my only reference has 0131E as a 1951 car which was raced in the '52 Carrera Panamerica by Phil Hil to 6th O/A.
Strange, I just made a list of all 27 Export I have found and 0131E is not in my list. This car is however listed in the registry. I'll post my list soon.

All cars appear to have been fitted with the Columbo 60 deg V12.
For the Export I now know that they all have been fitted with this Colombo V12 (single overhead camshaft). The cars bought for competition had 3 Weber 32 DCF carburettors and 175bhp at 6500rpm. Cars bought for road spec had single Weber 35 DCF carburettors and 150bhp at 6000rpm. That's the only big difference accept for some upgrades to 225 specsifications...

Do you have Exports 0239EU and 0292M listed seperately, as this is the same car renumbered !
Just like above, I have found no info on these numbers. But I haven't looked at the 212 Inters yet. I quess 0239EU is a Inter, but I'm not sure.


Thanks for the help,
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Here is the complete 27 212 Exports list:

0074E - Motto Berlinetta
0076E - Vignale Spider (original 06I a 166 Spider Corsa?)
0078E - Touring Spider
0080E - Vignale Berlinetta (build for road use)
0084E - Fontana Berlinetta (The Uovo, later upgraded to 255S specifications)
0086E - Fontana Spider
0088E - Touring Berlinetta
0090E - Vignale Spider
0092E - Vignale Spider
0094E - Motto Spider
0096E - Vignale Berlinetta (re-bodied by Zagato?)
0098E - Vignale Berlinetta
0100E - Touring Spider (re-bodied by Vignale as Berlinetta?)
0102E - Touring Spider
0104ED - Touring Barchetta (re-bodied by Vignale as Berlinetta?)
0106E - Vignale Convertible (build for road use)
0108E - Touring Berlinetta
0110E - Vignale Convertible
0112E - Touring Berlinetta (upgraded to 225S Sepcifications)
0128E - Vignale Berlinetta
0134E - Touring Spider
0136E - Touring Spider
0146E - Vignale Berlinetta (re-numbered to ???)
0158ED - Touring Spider
0170ET - Vignale Berlinetta (upgraded to 225 Export specifications)
0190ED - Vignale Berlinetta (upgraded to 225S specifications)
0214ED - Vignale Spider

What would the E, ED and ET behind the numbers stand for?
 

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marcos said:
Here is the complete 27 212 Exports list:

Some are inaccurate -

0084E - Fontana Berlinetta - Originally Touring(The Uovo, later upgraded to 255S specifications)
0086E - Fontana Spider - Originally Vignale
0096E - Vignale Berlinetta (re-bodied by Zagato?) Not according to Zagato
0100E - Touring Spider (re-bodied by Vignale as Berlinetta?) - Not proven
0104ED - Touring Barchetta (re-bodied by Vignale as Berlinetta?) No This was never bodied by Touring - Was a Vignale Berlinetta from 1st Reg
0146E - Vignale Berlinetta (re-numbered to ???) 0346M
0214ED - Vignale Spider - This was never a 212 - 225S
I have current locations and owners for most of them.

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Thanks for the corrections Argento,

I had just found that 0214ED was not a 212. I did find that #0070M was called a 212 MM (Export) Vignale Berlinetta, so that will make 27 again. Or shouldn't I call it an Export?

I have current locations and owners fro most of them.
Can you share them for this (and mine) registry?

I have just written a list of all the Inters. I think I got them all (with 6 212 Europa's) I still come to a total of 78. I will post once I got the list to the pc...
 

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marcos said:
Just found that 0239EU or 0292M is a 250MM PF Berlinetta:

0239EU was a 1952 212 Europa Vignale Coupe which was returned to Ferrari and traded for a 250 MM PF Comp Coupe #0352M. The 250 MM was renumbered 0239 and the 212 was renumbered as 0292M. :)
 

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Marlin, can I use these pics for my site? I can tell copyright if you want to.
You can use these pictures if you wish. I can send you better resolution, they are scans of prints.
 

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You can use these pictures if you wish. I can send you better resolution, they are scans of prints.
Beter resolution is always welcome ;-) Just found I also got a pic of a 212 in my collection. I have seen 0227EL (Vignale Cabriolet) from Frits Kroymans at his private collection in 2003: http://www.marcsferraripage.nl/album.php?map=fotoalbum/030824_FCN_GP_Hungary_Kroymans&foto=16

ps I will do an update on the list above later and post it to see how it's turning out...
 

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Thanks for the corrections Argento,

I had just found that 0214ED was not a 212. I did find that #0070M was called a 212 MM (Export) Vignale Berlinetta, so that will make 27 again. Or shouldn't I call it an Export?



Can you share them for this (and mine) registry?

I have just written a list of all the Inters. I think I got them all (with 6 212 Europa's) I still come to a total of 78. I will post once I got the list to the pc...
Marcos,

Unfortunately I cannot share this sort of information on a public forum, and some of the owner's have asked not to have their information published anywhere at all, I have to respect this confidentiality to ensure continued good relations with these and other respected owners/collectors.

I will help in any other way I can though.

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Marcos,

Unfortunately I cannot share this sort of information on a public forum, and some of the owner's have asked not to have their information published anywhere at all, I have to respect this confidentiality to ensure continued good relations with these and other respected owners/collectors.

I will help in any other way I can though.

Argento
I already thought so, but it can never hurt to ask. Thanks.
 

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Marcos,

Unfortunately I cannot share this sort of information on a public forum, and some of the owner's have asked not to have their information published anywhere at all, I have to respect this confidentiality to ensure continued good relations with these and other respected owners/collectors.

I will help in any other way I can though.

Argento
Marcos,

0070M is a 212 MM Vignale Berlinetta, But not an Export, 1st Owner was the Franco Cornacchia, Ferraris Former Rome Agent & accomplished Racing Driver, Registered in Milan as MI 144, Great photo of it in the 1951? MM here.

http://www.maranello.cc/all.ferrari...lle-dolomiti-1951-gallery-01/fiat-ermini.html

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Marcos,

0070M is a 212 MM Vignale Berlinetta, But not an Export, 1st Owner was the Franco Cornacchia, Ferraris Former Rome Agent & accomplished Racing Driver, Registered in Milan as MI 144, Great photo of it in the 1951? MM here.

http://www.maranello.cc/all.ferrari...lle-dolomiti-1951-gallery-01/fiat-ermini.html

Argento
I thought so in the beginning, but then I saw barchetta.cc and 0070M and the car is called 212MM (Export) Vignale Berlinetta. I thought this car might have been a special Export. I quess I was wrong then.

I'm updating my list at this moment, but I have one problem. I now count 26 212 Export's, i thought it was 27?
 

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OK, here's the updated Export's list. I added some brief history information, but the more I read (mainly sites), the more conflicting the writing is.

I started a thrird list to handle other types of 212's, like 0070M and 0182ED. The Inter's list isn't complete yet, but I can post it soon. Goal is a complete 212 list that covers all 212 models.

Here is my current Export list:
0074E – 212 Export Motto Berlinetta, RHD.
No information known on this car.

0076E – 212 Export Vignale Spider, re-numbered from #006I (a 166 Spider Corsa), RHD.
Started it’s live as a ‘showcar’ at Torino april 1951. Car has been restored in … and now lives in NY, USA.

0078E – 212 Export Touring Spider (or Barchetta?), RHD.
First time sold to LaRivière, France in 1951. The car was sold with a single carburetor, but upgraded to a 3 carburetor setting. The car moved to the USA and was restored in the seventies and again in the nineties. 1990 Restoration has been done by DK Engineering in Watford, UK.

0080E – 212 Export Vignale Berlinetta (build for road use), RHD.
No information known on this car.

0084E – 212 Export Touring Barchetta, re-bodied by Fontana as The Uovo, RHD.
A lot has happened back in 1951. The car was sold as a Touring Barchetta and then re-bodied as the Uovo. Also a 255S Engine was installed, then later on removed and then to be installed again? Then the car went to the USA. It was restored somewhere early nineties. In 1994 it was offered for sale by Mario Bernardi in Germany.

0086E – 212 Export Vignale or Fontana Spider, RHD.
First time sold to Scuderia Marzotto February 1951, Valadagno Italy. The cars was several times re-bodied (or bodied) by Fontana. The car crashed and burned in 1952.

0088E – 212 Export Touring Berlinetta.
No information known on this car.

0090E – 212 Export Vignale Spider, RHD.
First time sold to Scuderia Marzotto march 1951. She now lives in the USA after being restored and converted back to a single carburetor setting.

0092E – 212 Export Vignale Coupe, RHD.
First time sold to Scuderia Guastalla, Italy, March 1951. Moved to the USA in 1952. There are a lot of unanswered questions about this car because this car is either in the USA or in Italy since the fifties.

0094E – 212 Export Motto Spider, RHD (three headlights).
First sold in Italy 1951. Now lives in France.

0096E – 212 Export Vignale Berlinetta, RHD.
First sold to Scuderia Gastella, France 1951.

0098E – 212 Export Vignale Berlinetta.
First sold may 1951 to Antonio Mambretti, Rome Italy. Car was re-bodied as a Vignale Spider with headrest.

0100E – 212 Export Touring Barchetta, RHD.
First sold to Charles Moran, New York, USA in 1951.

0102E – Export Touring Barchetta, RHD.
First sold to Pietro Palmieri, Italy 1951. The car was bought by the MGM studios in California USA in 1954. The car was re-bodied as a Burrano Spider by Autodromo for some movies. Car was for sale in 2004 by Morris and Welford (USA) and in 2005 it was offered for sale by Gregor Fisken (UK).

0104ED – 212 Export Vignale Berlinetta, RHD.
Either it’s originally a Vignale or a 212 Export Touring Barchetta re-bodied to a Vignale Berlinetta.

0106E – 212 Export Vignale Convertible (build for road use), RHD.
Car was build for Count Sanseverino, Italy, July 1951. Car moved to England in the sixties. Owner died July 2002 and the car was then sold at the Goodwood Revival auction.

0108E – 212 Export Touring Berlinetta, RHD.
First time sold to Dhr. G. Fassio, Italy april 1951. The car is destroyed after a garage fire back in 1997 and needs a total reconstruction.

0110E – 212 Export Vignale Convertible, RHD.
First time sold to the Portuguese ambassador in France, July 1951.

0112E – 212 Export Touring Berlinetta (upgraded to 225S Sepcifications).
First time sold august 1951. She lives in Holland now.

0128E – 212 Export Vignale Berlinetta, RHD.
Sold to R. C. Wilke, Milwaukee, USA. Car was offered for sale in 2005 in the UK.

0134E – 212 Export Touring Barchetta, RHD.
This car is stolen sometime in it’s history.

0136E – 212 Export Touring Barchetta, RHD.
First time sold to Bobby Baird, Ireland in 1951. Back in the seventies this car was found in Uruguay but it’s unknown how it got there.

0146E – 212 Export Vignale Berlinetta (re-numbered to 0346M), RHD.
This car was first time sold to Kurt Zeller, Germany. It’s said that 0146E was re-numbered to 0346M, but Zeller bought a 166MM PF Berlinetta with this number in 1953. The original 0146E could have destroyed before this time.

0158ED – 212 Export Touring Barchetta, RHD.
This is the first 1952 car. Car has a great racing history until 1956. Car is in the USA now.

0170ET – 212 Export Vignale Berlinetta (upgraded to 225 Export complete with different suspension).
No information known on this car.

0190ED – 212 Export Vignale Berlinetta, RHD (upgraded to 225S specifications).
First time sold to J. Peron, Nice, France, 1952. Car crashed and burnt sometime in the fifthies. Rebuild in 1998 by DK Engerering, UK.

Only problem now is that fact that my list no got 26 cars. I read there are 27 build at other sites...?

Other 212’s not being an Export or Inter:
0070M – 212MM Vignale Berlinetta build for the Mille Miglia, RHD.
First time sold to Scuderia Guastalla, Italy april 1951. The car first got the single carburetor, but was updates to a 3 carburetor setting. A year later the car got a new body by Vignale (1952 styling). Since 1964 the car has been in the USA and she has been restored somewhere between 1990 and 1995 by….

0182ED – 212 Sport Vignale Berlinetta, RHD.
First time sold to Jacques Peron, Nice, France, may 1952. Crashed and burnt at the Rally du Maroc in 1952. Car was rebuild as a Vignale Spider.

More cars to be added in this list…
 
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