This car beats Enzo in every measure...for 1/5th to 1/10th the cost!
4Ferrari said:
...for Ferrari's Street cars? I can't find a REAL OPPONENT for FERRARI! U? ... I do not change my oppinion: Ferrari can be beated only by an another Ferrari!
For *street* cars, there's the Ultima GTR-720 which -- according to the Guinness Book of World Records' 3rd party testing company, Datron -- goes way, WAY faster than the Enzo in terms of:
- acceleration/braking (0-100-0 = 9.8 sec., which is more than 1 second faster than the Enzo),
- lateral g's (1.18 g's vs. 1.01 for the Enzo:
17% higher than the Enzo, on Perelli P-Zeros or equivalent Goodyears, NOT racing tyres!),
- and even top speed (Enzo's 217 vs. Ultima's 231 mph; and even then, notable mags like Car&Driver and Road & Track have been finding that Ferrari’s speedometers read a higher top-speed than the magazines' own, independent equipment, which makes me oubt the Enzo is even THAT close to the Ultima's top-speed anyway
).
...and an Ultima that powerful (the GTR-720) is about $100k factory-built with air-conditioning, stereo, etc., instead of $500k or $600k for the Enzo. Gets better mileage than the Enzo, too.
It “beats” Ferrari’s Enzo -- Ferrari's fastest street-legal car -- in EVERY objective measure, therefore can I suggest that you’re letting your subjective biases get to you when you say “a Ferrari can be beated [sic] only by another Ferrari”? ;-) Maybe as you said, that's just your "opinion," but better be careful not to substitute your opinion for FACT, because at least 3/4 of the Ultima owners that I know of (out of approx. 50) will have good enough cars and driving-skills to wipe that smug delusion out of your puny, closed, Ferrari-centric mind by embarrassing an Enzo (or any other street-legal Ferrari) at a stoplight
or a local track-day event. ;-)
It even beats Ferrari's FXX in every objective speed-measurement, and the FXX isn't even road-legal yet! (should be heavier and slower once it is legal, as nearly all road-cars have that happen) The Ultima is also faster and cheaper than the Saleen S7, so it even beats the Saleen in terms of “bang for the buck” (I noticed that someone said the Saleeen is the best car that they know of for bang-to-buck ratio).
There’s also the Koenigsegg, which is also faster (and probably slightly cheaper) than Enzo, but not as cheap or fast as an Ultima GTR-720 (except for top-speed). And the Mosler, which is nearly as cheap as an Ultima GTR-720 but about as slow as an Enzo.
And off the track, insofar as the “posing value” which Ferraris are popularly noted for: Ultima owners report -- and sometimes provided photos as proof -- that crowds which had gathered around an Enzo or F430 quickly went to the more-unique Ultima once it pulled up, and valets kept an Ultima parked out front -- replacing the F430 which they then hid in their car-park at the rear of the building.;-) But, I’ve found that Ultima-owners are more technicians/gearheads and weekend-racers (i.e. less poser-ish), compared to the percentage of Ferrari-owners who just want a car that "attracts attention from the ladies" instead of for racing it most weekends, so the swooping lines of the Ultima do attract crowds, but the actual owners are generally LESS interested in the car’s swoopy lines to attract attention, and MORE interested in those swoopy lines for the downforce and low drag they produce. ;-) After all, the Ultima was developed from a REAL GT racing car (with road-legal modifications), and even most gearheads - let alone non-gearheads - haven't yet seen its photos splashed all over, so it's more of a novelty compared to late-model Ferraris. Also, think of Gone in 60 Seconds -- not the 1970's version, the one with Angelina Jolie -- when the dude (Nicholas Cage?) acts like a wealthy poser and goes to a Ferrari dealership and explains why he'd like a CLASSIC Ferrari instead of a late model, and if you know the lines that he told the Ferrari salesman, you get the idea...
But, keep in mind, with the Ultima:
- it is primarily a street-car and is legal in most Western nations, and is suitable (and FIA-certified if you get the right rollcage and other equipment) for racing or track-days. Some even use Ultimas in pro-racing. It was the test-mule for MacLaren's F1 streetcar's drivetrain (i.e. overpriced English trash, since the Ultima is now also SPANKING the Macca F1 in every measure for 1/10th-the-price, just as badly as it beats the Enzo).
- but it's not very refined (e.g. has no ceramic brakes, nor an adjustable rollbar, nor pushrod-shockers mounted inboard to reduce the weight of the suspension, which I think the Enzo has -- unless you customize these things, which would still keep it considerably less $ than the Enzo whilst making it SPANK the Enzo even more sickeningly than the current GTR-720 already does
)
- The performance measurements in my first paragraph are for Ultima's production version putting out 'only' 720 HP @ 7000 RPM's (yes, Chevy V8's can rev that high... even the old pre-1975 engine blocks): Its chassis can accommodate up to 1000 HP from a Chevy V8
and some people’s non-production/customized Ultimas are already 1000-HP or a little more; that's 40% more horsepower than the GTR-720 "production version" of the Ultima , which already killed the Enzo. That's about the same HP-per-kg as an Enzo would have, if it had 1400 horses! ...and a 1000 HP LSx Chevy with turbos will easily give 20 to 25 mpg in the lightweight Ultima chassis. The Chevy LSx engines have plenty of future development-potential to let Ultima beat-down Ferrari again, even if Ferrari releases its own car that out-performs the Enzo in a few years. (so does the Ultima chassis: it can gain ceramic brakes, titanium or inboard-mounted (pushrod) springs/shockers, a DCT transaxle (like the next PDK, which Porsche should release soon: DCT's shift faster than Ferrari's sequential/F1, and even faster than F1 cars -- which are limited by F1 rules to only 1 clutch -- and Ultima's dimensions and bolts are made for Porche transaxles, so Ultima has been limited for awhile by Porsche's failure to release the new PDK, but its 1980's LeMans cars, which are made (street-legal) today by Joest and a few others have PDK's already, in street-legal cars...), Ultima can also use a 4130 chrome-moly chassis, a light-weight body (thinner GRP or even carbon), etc. in the future... total cost to add these: only another $60k (+/- $10k), to keep its cost 1/4th of the Enzo, the most powerful road-legal Ferrari to-date.))
- it can be ordered as a complete, factory car and is produced in higher volumes than the Enzo probably is, so it's more of a 'production' car than the Enzo.
I don't think it's an 'opponent' to the (significantly slower) Enzo, though, just as the Enzo is not an 'opponent' to other significantly slower cars such as the Ford Fiesta (and yes, a properly outfitted Ultima racing next to an Enzo looks about the same as an Enzo racing next to a Fiesta: It's like in GT races where a car of a completely higher class overtakes some cars in slower classes, simply blowing them away without the challenge it would have when passing a decent car of its own racing-class).
Ferrari simply isn't trying to compete with the Ultima: It's too much of an unknown and they'd rather take $500k from suckas who just want to beat cars like the Carerra GT; but that doesn't change the fact that, if I see an Ultima at a stoplight and I'm in an Enzo, I wouldn't want the embarrassment of a stoplight race against most people’s Ultima.;-)
And I'd venture a guess that the GTR-720 would still beat the Enzo, even if the Ultima owner filled his 4-cubic-foot luggage bins with enough 100-dollar bills to be equivalent to the several hundreds-of-thousands that he saved by not buying an Enzo.;-)
4Ferrari said:
Do somebody think that Lamborghini Murcielago is faster than 575M?
Not sure about other speed-measurements, but even the base-model (not the LP640) of the Murcielago wins for top-speed (by a hair) and 0-100kmph (by a significant margin)...
Let me guess, you think the Ferrari is faster?;-) For $50k more than the 575M, I think the Murcielago buyer should expect an even greater margin of better performance over the 575M, though.
