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Has any body got any information about the ferrari 500 mondial from about 1950 to 1955 only about 10 to 14 were produced 1955 500 Mondial Series II Scaglietti Spyders:drive:
 

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Has any body got any information about the ferrari 500 mondial from about 1950 to 1955 only about 14 were produced:drive:
Huge subject with massive amounts of history and conflicting stories involved & actually there 30 produced in that time frame:

1953 - 54 500 Mondial Series I Pininfarina Berlinetts/Spyders - 14
1953 - 54 500 Mondial Series I Scaglietti Spyders - 6

1955 500 Mondial Series II Scaglietti Spyders - 10

My advice is read as much as possible first and then ask specific s/n related questions ?

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1955 500 Mondial Series II Scaglietti Spyders - 10
Argento, I am now of the opinion that there were only 8 and possibly 9 of these cars, in spite of the article in Cavallino #61

Robert

PS I also count only 5 of the Scaglietti bodied Series 1 cars.
 

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Thank you Enzo250GTO, not to hijack this thread but how does one generate changes to the information displayed in the Models and Registry.

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Robert,

Right now the changes would need to be posted and I will make the change. I am working on a setup that would make this easier for all registered users as I know the data in the Registry has been messed up from a import that went foul. I will keep everyone up to date as to when this change is ready.

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This is a good place to start the process of determining some facts about a few of the early cars.

Earlier in this thread there was a note that there were six of the 500 Mondial Series I Scaglietti bodied sports cars, and I opined that perhaps the number was only 5. The definition of this series requires a tipo 501 chassis (transverse front leaf spring suspension), tipo 110 motor (narrow valve included angle cylinder head), tipo 501 transaxle (4-speed), 125 liter fuel tank, and of course the body by Sergio Scaglietti.

I consider that the five meeting the definition were:
0454
0464
0468
0474
0506

If anyone has any addition (or additions) to make to this short list please post it (or them) so we can discuss

Andrew, perhaps this can be the start of the Models and Register change of which you spoke.

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Robert
 

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Ferrari's Le Mans history...

Just something out of topic,
Does anyone know which Ferrari was the most
successful during Le Mans from the begginning to 2000?:drive:
 

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Andrew,

On the details of the 500 Mondial Series I serial 0468 I recommend you change the drive position to right hand drive.

On the specifications of the 500 Mondial Series I Scaglietti bodied cars the entry regarding the 5-speed transaxle is incorrect, the proper one would be the 4-speed. Notice the close up picture of the shifter has the normal H pattern for the 4 speed and the flip lock out for reverse. I am not positive but I believe that these cars did not have the multi-disc clutch yet. Clearly the 500 Mondial Series II cars and the 1955 750 Monzas did have the nine plate clutch. In case you have not seen what a nine plate clutch looks like, please see the attachment.

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Le Mans results 2000 - 2006

Just something out of topic,
Does anyone know which Ferrari was the most
successful during Le Mans from the begginning to 2000?:drive:
Don't tell Bart, but it looks like its the 550 maranello!

2003 - 10. #88 LM GTS Davies, Enge, Kox Ferrari 550 Maranello -41 laps
21. #72 LM GTS Alphand, Dor, Policand Ferrari 550 Maranello -79 laps
26. #70 LM GT Babini, de Simone, Terrien Ferrari Modena 360GT -104 laps
27. #94 LM GT Kelleners, Lazzaro, Borcheller Ferrari Modena 360GT -108 laps

2004 - 9. #65 LM GTS McRae, Rydell, Turner Prodrive Racing Ferrari 550 Maranello 50 laps
11. #66 LM GTS Menu, Kox, Enge Prodrive Racing Ferrari 550 Maranello 54 laps
19. #92 LM GT Wilson, Mountain, Hugenholtz Cirtek Motorsport Ferrari 360 Modena 68 laps

2005 - 13. #50 GT1 Goueslard, Dupard, Vosse Larbre Competition Ferrari 550 Maranello 322 laps
18. #61 GT1 Fomenko, Vasiliev, Bouchut Cirtek Motorsport Ferrari 550 Maranello 314 laps

2006 - 17. #87 LM GT2 3. Kinch, Niarchos, Mullen Scuderia Ecosse GB Ferrari 430 GT
 

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This is a good place to start the process of determining some facts about a few of the early cars.

Earlier in this thread there was a note that there were six of the 500 Mondial Series I Scaglietti bodied sports cars, and I opined that perhaps the number was only 5. The definition of this series requires a tipo 501 chassis (transverse front leaf spring suspension), tipo 110 motor (narrow valve included angle cylinder head), tipo 501 transaxle (4-speed), 125 liter fuel tank, and of course the body by Sergio Scaglietti.

I consider that the five meeting the definition were:
0454
0464
0468
0474
0506

If anyone has any addition (or additions) to make to this short list please post it (or them) so we can discuss

Regards,

Robert
Robert,

Why would 0508MD be left off your list, It meets your definition criteria?

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Robert,

Why would 0508MD be left off your list, It meets your definition criteria?

Argento
0508 is not on the list because it was a 750 Monza which Francois Picard crashed spectacularly at the 12 Hours of Hyeres on May 29, 1955. He was hospitalized with a broken shoulder and other injuries but was really lucky because the car cleared a high fence at high speed landing upside down in an adjacent French Naval Facility where it caught fire. Will look around for a photo I have seen in the recent past of the crash scene. I believe that the 750 motor (a tipo 119) was later installed in some other car.

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Robert
 

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Robert,

I'm assuming your calling into question the validity of #0512MD? If not which do you believe need investigation?

Argento

Argento,

In my mind 0512 is solidly in the game as the very first 500 Mondial Series II Scaglietti car.

The qualifications for this designator would be the tipo 510 chassis (front coil spring suspension), tipo 111 motor (wide valve included angle cylinder head), tipo 509 transaxle (5-speed), 150 liter fuel tank, and all series II cars were bodied by Scaglietti.

Not only does 0512 meet all of these qualifications, the Assembly Data Sheet (ADS) contains the annotation “PROTOTIPO III”, as it was the first of the series.

I am now certain that 0560 was built as a 750 Monza (motor tipo 119), so scratch it from the 500 Mondial SII list. (Andrew, please note)

I am less certain about 0534. The ADS cover page says motore tipo 119. However the chassis page was dated 7 March 1955 but contains the note that the car “Reintrata il 4/4/55. Sostituito il motore con un 3 litri.” This statement is unusual in that the size of the replacement motor is mentioned specifically. In all of the other instances in which I have found motor changes, the displacement has not been mentioned, which originally led me to believe that the first motor was other than a 3 liter motor. The client was B. Sterzi but I find no event in which he raced the car either before or after 4/4/55 so I cannot tell by the displacement class in which it might have been entered. The motor page reflects a standard 750 Monza motor (tipo 119) with a first dyno date of 18 March 1955 which is most likely the motor installed in the car on 4/4/55. Many of the 750 Monzas wore rear tire size 6.50 X 16 and many of the 500 Mondial SII cars wore 6.00 X 16 on the rear. 0534 was fitted with 6.00 X 16 tires. Clearly not conclusive enough evidence to categorically state that the car was first a 500 Mondial SII, and lacking that evidence it may well be that the car was always a 750 Monza.

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more on 0508

Argent,

May I invite you to look at the fantastic book Emotion Ferrari by Maurice Louche. On page 126 is a nice clear photo of the 750 Monza serial # 0508 wearing race #4 of Francois Picard and Mike Sparken before the start of the race at the 12 hours of Hyeres on 29 May 1955. On the following page is a graphc shot of the upside down burned wreck of 0508.

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Robert
 

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Hello Robert,

Guarducci in 1956 took part in the Aosta-Gran San Bernardo HC with, as stated in the listings in an italian book on this hill climb, 2000 cc Ferrari.

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Argent,

May I invite you to look at the fantastic book Emotion Ferrari by Maurice Louche. On page 126 is a nice clear photo of the 750 Monza serial # 0508 wearing race #4 of Francois Picard and Mike Sparken before the start of the race at the 12 hours of Hyeres on 29 May 1955. On the following page is a graphc shot of the upside down burned wreck of 0508.

Best regards,

Robert
Robert,

I only ordered this book just before Christmas, and as yet have not rec'd my copy...But when I do it will be the 1st page I turn to.

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Argento,

In my mind 0512 is solidly in the game as the very first 500 Mondial Series II Scaglietti car.

The qualifications for this designator would be the tipo 510 chassis (front coil spring suspension), tipo 111 motor (wide valve included angle cylinder head), tipo 509 transaxle (5-speed), 150 liter fuel tank, and all series II cars were bodied by Scaglietti.

Not only does 0512 meet all of these qualifications, the Assembly Data Sheet (ADS) contains the annotation “PROTOTIPO III”, as it was the first of the series.

I am now certain that 0560 was built as a 750 Monza (motor tipo 119), so scratch it from the 500 Mondial SII list. (Andrew, please note)

I am less certain about 0534. The ADS cover page says motore tipo 119. However the chassis page was dated 7 March 1955 but contains the note that the car “Reintrata il 4/4/55. Sostituito il motore con un 3 litri.” This statement is unusual in that the size of the replacement motor is mentioned specifically. In all of the other instances in which I have found motor changes, the displacement has not been mentioned, which originally led me to believe that the first motor was other than a 3 liter motor. The client was B. Sterzi but I find no event in which he raced the car either before or after 4/4/55 so I cannot tell by the displacement class in which it might have been entered. The motor page reflects a standard 750 Monza motor (tipo 119) with a first dyno date of 18 March 1955 which is most likely the motor installed in the car on 4/4/55. Many of the 750 Monzas wore rear tire size 6.50 X 16 and many of the 500 Mondial SII cars wore 6.00 X 16 on the rear. 0534 was fitted with 6.00 X 16 tires. Clearly not conclusive enough evidence to categorically state that the car was first a 500 Mondial SII, and lacking that evidence it may well be that the car was always a 750 Monza.

Robert
Robert,

Your authoritative insight is brilliant as well as superbly accurate, I referred to 0512 because of it's later rebody, but you are correct. For some reason? I have always had 0560 down as a 750 Monza....?
I have no further insight into 0534 at present, But I'll continue to dig too !!!

A pleasure as always,

Argento
 

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Hello Robert,

Guarducci in 1956 took part in the Aosta-Gran San Bernardo HC with, as stated in the listings in an italian book on this hill climb, 2000 cc Ferrari.

Best
Boudewijn
Boudewijn,

Thanks for that input. I have always had a difficult time with the progression of cars that Ottavio Guarducci raced. These are some of the events in which he was to participate:

1 May 1955 Mille Miglia Alfa Guiletta Sprint
29 May 1955 Supercortemaggiore Ferrari #34
10 July 1955 Dolomite Coppa d’Oro Fiat 8V Zagato
11 Sept 1955 Coppa Inter Europa Fiat 8V Zagato
16 Oct 1955 Targa Florio Fiat 8V Zagato #30
29 Apr 1956 Mille Miglia Moretti 750 #34
20 May 1956 Trofeo Sardo Ferrari 212
24 June 1956 Supercortemaggiore 500 Mondial #59
22 July 1956 Aosta Gran San Bernardo Ferrari 2000
18 Aug 1956 GP Pescara Ferrari 166MM
2 Sept 1956 Coppa Inter Europa Fiat 8V Zagato
4 Nov 1956 GP Venezuela Ferrari 2000 #30
24 Feb 1957 GP Cuba Maserati A6G #48**
3 Nov 1957 GP Venezuela Maserati A6G #34

**problem here because #48 was the Lucas 121LM


Since Magnone picked up the 0534 chassis in Caracas it is logical to assume that it was brought over by Guarducci but clearly ran in the under two liter class. But I cannot connect the dots between Sterzi in April 1955 and Guarducci in November 1956.

Since you have one of the most extensive collections of Ferrari racing photos, perhaps you can shed some light on the six Ferrari entries listed above.

This is one of the harder Ferrari history puzzles to resolve.

Best regards and Happy New Year!

Robert
 
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