Huge subject with massive amounts of history and conflicting stories involved & actually there 30 produced in that time frame:warlocks said:Has any body got any information about the ferrari 500 mondial from about 1950 to 1955 only about 14 were produced:drive:
Argento, I am now of the opinion that there were only 8 and possibly 9 of these cars, in spite of the article in Cavallino #611955 500 Mondial Series II Scaglietti Spyders - 10
Don't tell Bart, but it looks like its the 550 maranello!Just something out of topic,
Does anyone know which Ferrari was the most
successful during Le Mans from the begginning to 2000?:drive:
Robert,This is a good place to start the process of determining some facts about a few of the early cars.
Earlier in this thread there was a note that there were six of the 500 Mondial Series I Scaglietti bodied sports cars, and I opined that perhaps the number was only 5. The definition of this series requires a tipo 501 chassis (transverse front leaf spring suspension), tipo 110 motor (narrow valve included angle cylinder head), tipo 501 transaxle (4-speed), 125 liter fuel tank, and of course the body by Sergio Scaglietti.
I consider that the five meeting the definition were:
If anyone has any addition (or additions) to make to this short list please post it (or them) so we can discuss
0508 is not on the list because it was a 750 Monza which Francois Picard crashed spectacularly at the 12 Hours of Hyeres on May 29, 1955. He was hospitalized with a broken shoulder and other injuries but was really lucky because the car cleared a high fence at high speed landing upside down in an adjacent French Naval Facility where it caught fire. Will look around for a photo I have seen in the recent past of the crash scene. I believe that the 750 motor (a tipo 119) was later installed in some other car.Robert,
Why would 0508MD be left off your list, It meets your definition criteria?
I'm assuming your calling into question the validity of #0512MD? If not which do you believe need investigation?
May I invite you to look at the fantastic book Emotion Ferrari by Maurice Louche. On page 126 is a nice clear photo of the 750 Monza serial # 0508 wearing race #4 of Francois Picard and Mike Sparken before the start of the race at the 12 hours of Hyeres on 29 May 1955. On the following page is a graphc shot of the upside down burned wreck of 0508.
In my mind 0512 is solidly in the game as the very first 500 Mondial Series II Scaglietti car.
The qualifications for this designator would be the tipo 510 chassis (front coil spring suspension), tipo 111 motor (wide valve included angle cylinder head), tipo 509 transaxle (5-speed), 150 liter fuel tank, and all series II cars were bodied by Scaglietti.
Not only does 0512 meet all of these qualifications, the Assembly Data Sheet (ADS) contains the annotation “PROTOTIPO III”, as it was the first of the series.
I am now certain that 0560 was built as a 750 Monza (motor tipo 119), so scratch it from the 500 Mondial SII list. (Andrew, please note)
I am less certain about 0534. The ADS cover page says motore tipo 119. However the chassis page was dated 7 March 1955 but contains the note that the car “Reintrata il 4/4/55. Sostituito il motore con un 3 litri.” This statement is unusual in that the size of the replacement motor is mentioned specifically. In all of the other instances in which I have found motor changes, the displacement has not been mentioned, which originally led me to believe that the first motor was other than a 3 liter motor. The client was B. Sterzi but I find no event in which he raced the car either before or after 4/4/55 so I cannot tell by the displacement class in which it might have been entered. The motor page reflects a standard 750 Monza motor (tipo 119) with a first dyno date of 18 March 1955 which is most likely the motor installed in the car on 4/4/55. Many of the 750 Monzas wore rear tire size 6.50 X 16 and many of the 500 Mondial SII cars wore 6.00 X 16 on the rear. 0534 was fitted with 6.00 X 16 tires. Clearly not conclusive enough evidence to categorically state that the car was first a 500 Mondial SII, and lacking that evidence it may well be that the car was always a 750 Monza.
Guarducci in 1956 took part in the Aosta-Gran San Bernardo HC with, as stated in the listings in an italian book on this hill climb, 2000 cc Ferrari.