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Boxer42 said:
I am looking at an older 2+2 Ferrrari now as I need to be able to accomodate 2 small children. I would apprecaite advice and recommendations between either a 365 GT 2+2 or a 365 GTC/4. Thanks, Boxer42
Hummm,

Sorry I didn't see this before. Are you still looking for differences? I know before I told you some info about the 365 GTC/4 so perhaps that is the car you are leaning towards?

Either way please keep me updated.

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I think most members have the more recent models. So it's difficult to get members first hand experience on the 365GTC.
 

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Boxer 42,

A friend of mine recently bought a GTC/4. Very nice car! And very undervalued for a classic front-engined V-12! I drove it and was very pleased with its performance and handling. And I think it looks great too!

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Barry, It really is a very polarizing design. Half my friend's love the looks the other half are not so pleasant. In my opinion, in dark blue or black, it is a great looking Ferrari. The V 12 sounds amazing but talking to a specialist who has had some experience with the 365 GTC/4 engine, he advised extreme caution on making sure it is in good condition and has been well maintained. Otherwise $$$$$. I am still going back and forth between the 365 GTC/4 and the 456 GT. From a cost basis, despite the 20-25 year gap between the 2 models, the prices are about the same. Boxer42
 

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Barry, It really is a very polarizing design. Half my friend's love the looks the other half are not so pleasant. In my opinion, in dark blue or black, it is a great looking Ferrari. The V 12 sounds amazing but talking to a specialist who has had some experience with the 365 GTC/4 engine, he advised extreme caution on making sure it is in good condition and has been well maintained. Otherwise $$$$$. I am still going back and forth between the 365 GTC/4 and the 456 GT. From a cost basis, despite the 20-25 year gap between the 2 models, the prices are about the same. Boxer42
As I said, the C/4 is undervalued for a front-engined classic V12. It might appreciate in value because of its rarity (only 500 made) and the fact that it's mechanically similar to the Daytona. If you're considering a 456 GT, that would be my practical choice. I think the 456 is classic in its design. It's a very handsome car and will perform better than the C/4. It will be easier to service as well.

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That's really a fundamental decision to be made - buy an aged "classic" vs a near-new current model. You can't expect the 365 (or any other similar aged car) to be as reliable and fuss-free as a 456. Every trip in it (365) would be a "special" experience due to the mixture of age, performance, classic appeal, temperamental behaviour (!) and the expectation that "hey- something just might go wrong soon, but what the heck it's a 25 year old Ferrari, that's cool". The 456 on the other hand will probably do everything a lot better but if it stops on you in traffic you will be very upset.

I see the 456 as a sweet & gorgeous every-day driver. I would like one to be my 2nd Ferrari after a Mondial. I see the 365s as weekend dream machines.
 

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Boxer- The biggest problem with the GTC/4 (and 365 GT4 2+2) is the sidedraft carbs that have to be removed to adjust the valves or do much of anything on the engine. Plus the twin distributors are kind of buried under the bodywork and difficult to reach. The Daytona with its downdraft carbs and out in the open distributors is much easier to maintain.

The 365 GT 2+2 is pretty easy to maintain, too, and no shim swapping is required.

Good news is both of them look great with wire wheels, and you do not have a car with wire wheels right now. The 365 looks especially good with wires. I love those three eared knock-offs on Borranis.

I always thought if you really wanted to make an even prettier 365, a set of the 500 Superfast side vents would make the car even more attractive.
 

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Ironically this is the first thread I ever posted on FL.

HAve never bought either a 365 GT 2+2 (but still keep circling them) or a 365 GTC/4. DId buy a 456 GT but it did not end well.

Interesting how things develop over time.
Very cool indeed as my first thread I posted was comparing 365 GTC/4 and 550 as their prices were similar at the time (August 2007). Two of the best informed replies came from Boxer and JazzyO.

First Ferrari I drove was my Dad's 365 gt2+2 when he handed me the wheel when I was 18. I loved that Ferrari! Once you wound her up, she flew but it took a bit of time to wind up the glorious V12 to get the 2 tons moving. Surprisingly quick around the track, nimble handling for her size but the brakes did not cope too well.
 

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My apologies for being utterly practical, but have you seen the "back seat" in a C/4? Maybe a C/4 owner can chime in, but my impression, having driven a friend's many times, is that, unless your kids are the size and shape of a bag of groceries, you're not going to be driving your kids around in that car.

the QM, on the other hand, has a very nice back seat, actually built for people. I routinely drove 3 other adults around in my QM, and in relative comfort.

First pic is of my older son (about 6 when this was taken) on his booster seat in the back. If you are really out of room, and don't mind breaking child seat laws, the rear shelf in the 365GT2+2, can hold at least one kid - this is my younger son, about 3 at the time. Of course, either Ferrari would be much safer than this death trap - third pic (older son on booster seat again, lap belt only) - where we were only really assured of a quick death.
 

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First Ferrari I drove was my Dad's 365 gt2+2 when he handed me the wheel when I was 18. I loved that Ferrari! Once you wound her up, she flew but it took a bit of time to wind up the glorious V12 to get the 2 tons moving. Surprisingly quick around the track, nimble handling for her size but the brakes did not cope too well.
Funny you mention the brakes, they are my biggest concern on all the Vintage cars. Both the Daytona and 365 BB used to accelerate very impressively but the brakes could leave a stain on the seat.
 

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Boxer- If you are not a purist, we can probably fix your brake concerns. How would you like ceramic brakes that are far superior to Brembo's CCMs? Mov'it can make their CER solid carbon silicon carbide rotors in any size you need. Those and appropriate pads for the OEM calipers should take care of any braking issues, and be virtually indistinguishable from OEM. If you wanted, you could probably have rotors that were a little larger than OEM, depending on clearance issues.

I replaced the steel brakes on my car with Mov'Its and absolutely love them. It is like having a bottomless pit of braking capability that will never require replacement if I stay away from tracks. If you want to stick to steel, they have those available, too. The CERs are just such a great solution, unfortunately expensive, but sometimes the expense is worth it.
 

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Boxer- If you are not a purist, we can probably fix your brake concerns. How would you like ceramic brakes that are far superior to Brembo's CCMs? Mov'it can make their CER solid carbon silicon carbide rotors in any size you need. Those and appropriate pads for the OEM calipers should take care of any braking issues, and be virtually indistinguishable from OEM. If you wanted, you could probably have rotors that were a little larger than OEM, depending on clearance issues.

I replaced the steel brakes on my car with Mov'Its and absolutely love them. It is like having a bottomless pit of braking capability that will never require replacement if I stay away from tracks. If you want to stick to steel, they have those available, too. The CERs are just such a great solution, unfortunately expensive, but sometimes the expense is worth it.
Taz, Thanks for the advise. When I get brave enough to buy another Vintage Ferrari I will go for the brake upgrade.
 
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