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Wow,

Only just found this thread (!)

All I can say is awesome work ! Just imagine if you'd done this on a CS, pure pandemonium!
While I've always insisted this was possible it is definitely a project for the committed. (or should I say people whom need to be committed by the end of it...).

Despite being the same gearbox it is also worth noting that (I was told by very experienced guys in the trade) the F1 gearbox internals are actually slightly uprated [whatever that means] during manufacture vs the normal 6spd's (to handle the additional force/pressure of the robotized gear changes more so) so actually the f1 box should be even more bulletproof in manual applications.

I have been studying the dashboard electronics in quite some major detail of recent and have begun a complete digital dashboard replacement project. I've analyzed all the communications between the various serial connections and CAN links and they all eventually end up at the dash where it can illuminate the CEL light or various other lights and indication panels like the suspension or TCU warnings. Lets discuss your problem with the F1 s/w, I'm sure there is a way around this without having to pay a dealer....

Well done and good luck, enjoy the manual
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I'd be REALLY interested to know how much weight all the F1 gubbins saved if you ever did get chance to weight all that stuff because its got to be at least 10kg's saved, possibly more including the hydraulic fluid, etc.
 

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Hello Trev, actually your car is one of theinfluences on my conversion. Honestly, this project is not hard for an experienced enthusiast. I shudder to think the cost if a dealer did this, but I now see that Ferrari can easily sell a conversion kit. I did not have to fabricate anything ( except a jumper wire that they do not sell without a complete harness, and even I am not crazy enough to pay over 1100 usd for a AMP plug, 2 female pins and an inch of wire. This was all truly bolt on. I don't know if you remember, but we exchanged writing several months ago. It was in an effort to keep the gear indicator on the dash. Yes it can be done, but I did not feel it worth the effort at this stage. I first wanted to see it work, as I had some uncertainty due to the fact so many people said it was too dificult.
I was considering the weight savings, from this conversion and the exhaust. The exhaust is considerable, and within a few days, I will post the savings of F1 weight. I did not remove the wiring harness. The bulk of this is out of sight, and I securely wire tied the pump/ solenoid connectors to the frame extensions behind the right rear heat shield. I realize I am leaving near 1kg of "needless" weight, but I wanted to leave the car easy to convert back. I will post the weights in a few days.

If you can shed some light on my dash situation, I would be very much appreciative. I want to shut off the red "trans problem" symbol, and I would really like a "check ok" to appear during start up. I am not too concerned about the - that is displayed in the window of the tach. I would prefer it out, but it is the least of my 3 concerns. I was pondering if removing the cluster and sending it to a gauge specialist, if they could set it for me without the rest of the car. I am not sure where the gauge ecm is located. If it is in the cluster, perhaps that can be done. I await your advice.


Thank you

Rich
 

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I too only caught this thread and decided not to read it when it first started as the title did not interest me . Now with the title change I went back and I read it all this morning . While the mechanics is above my scope, obviously, I found what I read quite interesting and easy to follow if not enlightening to know that an f1 to a manual is a definite consideration. .

look forward to the driving experience and then Ferrari certification follow up . I am guessing probably Ferrari will charge you something for that paperwork privilege .
 

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Thank you all for the interest. I am glad the moderators changed the title, it may be a future resource. I really had to post the container picture, as every nut, bolt, screw, clip along with all other parts associated with the F1 are in this container. Yes, hoses, actuator, TCUs ( I have a stock and a CS one) pump/soleoid assy, brackets you get the idea, everything. All small items are bagged and tagged, and I wrote detailed notes. I will just put this away for possible future use. I am an old car nut, so I like to hold onto original parts. I was told I could sell the items, as it appears some parts are in high demand, but I prefer not.

This conversion, using a mix of new and used parts cost around 5400 plus my labor. I felt that was very reasonable as I, other than the F1 really like my car. It runs great, drives even better and is very tight. It is the best handling car I have or ever had ( maybe my Viper SRT Coupe in the right hands could trump it) but I am not that skilled a driver. In a race with myself, I would win in the 360 as it gives me more confidence. So, instead of searching agian, and going thru the drama involved in finding a new car, I did the conversion. I will soon post the weight savings from the removed F1 parts. I am also going to weigh the exhaust difference. I will post my findings.
 

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Rich- There is a market for most of those parts, including both TCUs, especially the CS version. After selling the F1 parts, your cost will come way down.
 

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Hi Taz, how you been? As much as I like the idea of lowering my cost, I think I will hold the parts for a bit. If I start tripping over the box, and realize I will never reverse my conversion, then maybe I will. For now, I like the security of having everything.

All I now need is warm weather, or a wife willing to move west!!!
 

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Best of luck on your super project. I had my experience of converting a porsche 993 from tiptronic to 6sp by my mech. car perform flawlessly with many track miles too. Looking forward to hear more about your project
 

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Hi Taz, how you been? As much as I like the idea of lowering my cost, I think I will hold the parts for a bit. If I start tripping over the box, and realize I will never reverse my conversion, then maybe I will. For now, I like the security of having everything.

All I now need is warm weather, or a wife willing to move west!!!
My sentiments exactly! Unless you sell the car, at which point you may not need the parts anymore, I would keep them for whatever reason pops up!

Fantastic job by the way. You have just painted a picture in my mind that even though these cars are exotics and require lots of care, in the end they are just cars and can be worked on without fear. Of course you would need some sense of knowledge and mechanical skill, but there's nothing like Google, forums like these and people like yourselves who have taken the pain staking time to document, doing write-ups along with pictures for the rest of us, allowing us to feel a little more confident with working on our rides!

I must add that with the knowledge of those on the forums, they in themselves are like talking manuals! You got to love it!

Thanks for sharing and I hope you get to enjoy the fruits of your labor soon!
 

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Rich- 11 F yesterday in Albuquerque, but still good driving weather as long as you do not push the tires too hard. You guys have to get lucky on the weather eventually. You already have about a 10 year quota of bad weather up there.
 

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Wow 11F!!!! You have me beat!!! We are still in the 20s. I am now hoping it stays cold, as this Saturday, I will take it out. The roads will stay clear as long as it doesn't warm and cause the snow and ice to melt. Also, motors love cold air!!!Tires, not so much. I am really itching to take it out and do my own rev matching!!! I will then report on the new ECUs. They are certianly more responsive on the throttle than the original ones.


Wish me luck with the weather!


Rich
 

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Rich- Good luck. 8F here this morning, but my house is at 5400'
 

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with temperatures and snow like that you wanna Ferrari FF: see now that car makes sense! !
 

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Rich!

Interesting conversion you've got going, very interesting indeed!:thumbsup: Please could you run the total cost when you're done? This opens up a whole new spectrum when looking for 355s, 360s and 430s, particularly with Ferrari backing the job with updated files.

I would be interested in doing such a conversion some day on a 360 CS. Do you know if the CS differs in any way from the standard 360 F1 for such a conversion?

Good luck!:steeringwheel:
 

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Hello Capo, This conversion cost me approx 5400 dollars. Please note, that was with a mix of used and new parts. For a 360 the parts list is not too long if you can source assemblies. Such as the shifter. In pieces, there are probably 40 or so, but buying an assembly is one part. It is not easy, but not impossible to find used parts. I was told I could sell the F1 parts removed for close to the amount I spent, but I like holding original parts.

I am preparing for a 430 conversion. A good friend of mine has a 430 F1 that he is afraid of ( since his Aston Martin Vanquish stranded him 2 times due to trans issues) He no longer trusts F1 paddles. I know a Ferrari is not an AM, but maybe he just wants a good excuse to convert. I have not finished with the research, but the only issue I can see involves the Ediff. I believe this will be no problem in the end as it appears to have a dedicated ECM for specifically that.

A CS conversion is very very interesting. I am also studying that as well. Off the top of my memory, the big difference will be the console. More than likely the CS specific console would need to be replaced with a standard 360 console, or maybe some custom fabricating.

On the 360 Modena, this was completely bolt on. I did not fabricate a single part. Ferrari could easily offer a kit for this if they wanted.. I will post the CS info as soon as I am certain. Trev360 must have the console answer as he converted a CS the opposite way!
 

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Rich- The E-Diff will not be a problem, but you and your friend should realize that it is powered by an F1 pump, even on the three pedal versions. The F430 pump is improved from the 360/575 pump and just running the E-Diff should be very easy on the pump.
 

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An absolutley amazing read. Just went through the thread from start to finish....and must say highly impressed....and also a little more comfortable with my own 360 now, just knowing that it can be done in a garage with the proper tools and experience (and time of course).

Keep the updates coming.
 
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