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I own an early series 1 360 (1999) with a F1 gearbox. From what I have found out the series 1 cars and especially the very early 360’s had some “issues” with the gearbox that where fixed on the series 2 cars (2002 onwards).
I am having problems with occasionally missing gear shifts and finding neutral, this is currently being investigated by my dealer but I was wondering if this is one of the “issues” or just a fault that can be fixed

I also have 2 other questions.
1: I have not been able to find out what these “issues” are and I would appreciate any help.

2: I have also seen some people offering ECU upgrades that promise all kinds of things, and again I would appreciate any help and advice.
If there is anybody out there who has upgraded there 360 ECU, who did you use and what do you think.

I am not after lots more power from the ECU upgrade just a better response from the gearbox.
Thanks
Chris (in the UK)
 

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2: I have also seen some people offering ECU upgrades that promise all kinds of things, and again I would appreciate any help and advice.
If there is anybody out there who has upgraded there 360 ECU, who did you use and what do you think.

I am not after lots more power from the ECU upgrade just a better response from the gearbox.
Thanks
Chris (in the UK)
Chris,

Welcome to Ferrari Forum. There are a number of members in the UK and if I recall correctly one had a chip upgrade.

However, I do not believe the ECU is the chip responsible for the shifting. I believe that is a seperate chip. Our sponsor (Powerchip) www.powerchipgroup.com can boost your horsepower by approximately 30bhp depending on the octane of the petrol in UK. The fuel will vary on how much extra bhp you get. I believe their 30bhp is rated with 93 octane gas.
 

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Thanks for the info
On further investigation I think you are correct about the ECU there appears to be a separate one for the gearbox, this is the one I am looking to upgrade.
At this stage I am not looking for more horses so I don’t think an engine ECU upgrade will do what I am looking for.
But hell what do I know !!!

Chris
 

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Just out of interest I looked at the octane rating for gas in the UK
Standard unleaded is 95 and we have a brand called Optimax from Shell that’s 98, this is what I usually fill up with.
I wonder what this and a good ECU upgrade will do?

Also Powerchip do not supply upgrades to the UK
 

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98! :eek: No wonder your go-go-juce is so expensive. I've been having to do with 91 here in California. :cry:
 

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I own an early series 1 360 (1999) with a F1 gearbox. From what I have found out the series 1 cars and especially the very early 360’s had some “issues” with the gearbox that where fixed on the series 2 cars (2002 onwards).
I am having problems with occasionally missing gear shifts and finding neutral, this is currently being investigated by my dealer but I was wondering if this is one of the “issues” or just a fault that can be fixed

I also have 2 other questions.
1: I have not been able to find out what these “issues” are and I would appreciate any help.

2: I have also seen some people offering ECU upgrades that promise all kinds of things, and again I would appreciate any help and advice.
If there is anybody out there who has upgraded there 360 ECU, who did you use and what do you think.

I am not after lots more power from the ECU upgrade just a better response from the gearbox.
Thanks
Chris (in the UK)
Chris the factory did upgrade the gearbox ECU. My 360 was a 2000 model and I upgraded my gearbox ECU at end 2001. Cost me about RM2,500 about 160pounds. Don't know what it cost in the UK though.

Yes there is improvements but don't expect a leap in difference or you'll be disappointed. You can get the ECU from the dealer direct. I don't know if you can get it from OEM parts supplier.
 

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My 1999 360 has upgraded gearbox ECU and works perfectly! I think if your car is serviced by an official dealer on a regular basis they will upgrade normally for free - at least in Switzerland.
 

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Chris the factory did upgrade the gearbox ECU. My 360 was a 2000 model and I upgraded my gearbox ECU at end 2001. Cost me about RM2,500 about 160pounds. Don't know what it cost in the UK though.

Yes there is improvements but don't expect a leap in difference or you'll be disappointed. You can get the ECU from the dealer direct. I don't know if you can get it from OEM parts supplier.

Dear All
As far as I concern, I think this forum has mentioned about that
It just upgrade the software. You should search the forum.
Hope it helps.
By the way, anyone knows about the F1 gearbox problems for 360
as the gearbox flash during the shifting both up and dwon
Tks
Ron
 

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Chris- The F1 ECU/TCU went through several upgrades for the 360 and one for the Challenge Stradale. Early 360 TCUs were fairly rough on the clutch, shifting was not as smooth, and there were no provisions for adjusting point of initial slippage. Later TCUs had new hardware and software and improved all those things and provided for manual adjustment of PIS. The last 360 TCU was fitted to cars late in CY02 and is part number 211023, introduced at Assembly Number 47380. This incorporated updates developed for the 575M and the Challenge Stradale. The CS introduced a TCU that was also a mild improvement over 211023, part number 196986, which was used throughout CS production.

The cheapest way to upgrade your 360 TCU is to get a reflashed unit from Eric355 in southern France. I can give you contact information for Eric if you like. His CS TCU program had the EEPROM from a friend's perfectly running CS duplicated. As such, this TCU can be installed as a plug and play with a working PIS. Still advisable to take it to your technician and his SD2 for PIS optimization, but it will run out of the box. If you want to save clutch history from your old TCU, then take it to your tech and have him save the history and then make the swap and set up PIS.

If your 360 is a 99, that particular TCU uses different hardware from the later TCUs and cannot be reflashed.
 

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This upgrade just like you upgrade your windows
The dealer or any mechanics who got the computer can help you to upgrade the software
After doing so, your gear box will get smoother
Hope it helps
In return, any parts supplier are cheap n reliable for 360 spider please.



I own an early series 1 360 (1999) with a F1 gearbox. From what I have found out the series 1 cars and especially the very early 360’s had some “issues” with the gearbox that where fixed on the series 2 cars (2002 onwards).
I am having problems with occasionally missing gear shifts and finding neutral, this is currently being investigated by my dealer but I was wondering if this is one of the “issues” or just a fault that can be fixed

I also have 2 other questions.
1: I have not been able to find out what these “issues” are and I would appreciate any help.

2: I have also seen some people offering ECU upgrades that promise all kinds of things, and again I would appreciate any help and advice.
If there is anybody out there who has upgraded there 360 ECU, who did you use and what do you think.

I am not after lots more power from the ECU upgrade just a better response from the gearbox.
Thanks
Chris (in the UK)
 

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Ronnie- Unfortunately, absolutely wrong. There are no provisions for reflashing 360 ECUs through the OBDII connector and Ferrari has not provided the dealer network with the program for updating the TCU.
 

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Tazandjan
The dealer in HK already using SD4 already. And when I have my clutch changed its been upgraded.
So I dont know what is true and wrong, but thats what I have been told as I was looking for this problem before.
Well, till today, my 01/360 spider still got problems the dealer can't fix, when I was changing gear no matter up or down, the gear box light was flash for a sec.
Happy Driving
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Ronnie- Makes no difference which system diagnosis tool they are using. The best tool for the 360 is the SD2, at any rate.

Never heard of an SD4, tell us more.
 

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Rauss also agreed with my views on upgrading TCU software.
When I have my clutch changed I asked my dealer about SD2, my dealer told me they had the latest software which is SD4. So you better check with your local dealer.
And this is not a diagnosis tools its actually fix the problems for the gear box.
You can search more ferrari forum, click in and you can find more info on that
Hope it helps
Ronnie
by the way, and one knows where to get reliable parts for ferrari 360 spider
 

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A US and UK octane rating are not exactly the same. Not sure what the conversion number is but US 91 is roughly equalivant to UK 98.
UK quotes Research Octane Number (RON). US quotes the mean of RON and Motor Octane Number (MON).
The MON is lower than the RON, normally by between 8 and 12 units, depending on the gasoline formulation and the type of refinery. This difference can be be lower than 8 or higher than 12 in some extreme cases.
Also the gap tends to be lower in commercially available fuels of lower octane.
If you subtract 4 to 6 units from the UK RON number you will get an estimate of the R+M/2 figure used in the US, so Boxer's estimate of 91 is not far off but a little on the low side, in my opinion.
98 Ron is probably around 93 or 92 on the US scale and 95 RON probably 90 to 91 on the US scale.
 

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Ronnie- Let me know when they actually reflash the software. Then I will believe it.
 

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Hi tazandjan
You are right, I checked with the dealer again. Yes they do use SD3 now and they will keep upgrading this software as what you said its only a diagnosis tools with updated software
I asked the dealer, they said yes the ECU for later cars has modified but its not recommended to changed as its not just the ECU they have changed. (that's what the dealer say)
Well, I still struggling my gearbox light flashing, as the dealer said it might be the actuator
I said it cant be as I came across with the Jag XKR, the dealer also said something about the ABS unit need to be changed but ending up its the cable which sending the signal back to the computer
well, anyone can offer me a hand please
Hv a nice day
Ronnie n Sorry for the wrong info Taz
 

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Ronnie- No problem, many dealers have misled customers on what they can do. Incidentally, they are wrong on the gearboxes on 360s being modified, that is not true. You can buy an upgraded 02/03 TCU, part number 211023, or a Challenge Stradale TCU, part number 196986, and either will work fine on early 360s and provide longer clutch life and smoother, sharper gear shifts. Procedure for that, courtesy of pro Eddie in the UK, formerly of Cyprus, are attached. Eric355 in South France is the best source for reflashed CS TCUs. If you get one from Eric, it is plug and play because it is copied from a working CS TCU.

The only time internal modifications were made to the gearbox and F1 actuator was for the Scuderia and 16M. That TCU should not be used on F430s.
 

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