[Boxer]

The McLaren F1 and the Ferrari 365P had 3 seat cockpits with the driver in a central position. Should Ferrari consider this for the Enzo replacement ? One plus is that it resolves the issue on driving between left and right hand drive countries.

 

[Andrew]

I've never driven the McLaren (obviously), but it is suppose to improve the feel of the car as you are centered in the car much like a racecar.

Should they do it? I have no idea really. If the seating position were to improve the car as a whole then yes.

 

[Dj Dirk]

well, i guess it's a pain in the ass to get out though
it should be especially diffitcult with the Mac, gearlever is in the way

 

[Boxer]

I would love to see Ferrari come out with a limited edition 3 seat retro design flat 8 or 10 mid engine GTS.

 

[Andrew]

gearlever is in the way

Which door are you getting out of?

Boxer,

I've posted before about a 10 banger. I don't think Ferrari will ever do it.

 

[Boxer]

I think you are right, but as the F1's are 10's there might be some hope...

 

[Dj Dirk]

i believe the easyiest way to get out of a mac was at the left side, well that's the only way that i've seen people get out of a mac

and man, it seems that i totally forgot to take an interior pic of the 365P
i saw the car at Pebble & FCA Concours, and not a single interior shot???? :evil: at myself

 

[Boxer]

Are the pictures of the 365P posted ?

 

[Dj Dirk]

euhm :hides:

i really SHOULD make time for that, i'm already telling this for months


but here's one already

 

[Dj Dirk]

and here's one from the front

 

[Dj Dirk]

now i wanted to play the smart one again :roll:
and tell that the Ferrari wasn't the 1st car that had 3 seats with the driver in the middle, but i can't remember what that other car/marque was at the moment :-?

 

[Boxer]

Thanks. Nice shots `

 

[Rev-happy]

Yeah, great pics.
I'll go search for the first car with a 3 seat cockpit maybe.

 

[Dj Dirk]

HA
found it
its a Panhard et Levansor

 

[Rev-happy]

HA
found it
its a Panhard et Levansor

Dang, ah well, you won. :lol:
Wow, that car looks somewhat strange.

 

[Andrew]

Would the 365P be considered a "One-off" does anyone have more information on this car?

 

[Boxer]

I believe at least two were produced. Here is the write up from Ferrari:

365 P Speciale (1966)

In 1966, Pininfarina built a three-seater berlinetta over a V12 mid-engined sports-prototype chassis (4,390 cc, 380bhp). It created a huge furore. This once-off was built to order for Gianni Agnelli and was followed a year later by another special model for Luigi Chinetti. The 365 P Speciale boasted a more harmonious version of the lines of the Dino prototype. The headlights were faired in and the roof was made from Plexiglass for a brighter cockpit. This was also the first time that the characteristic star-shaped five-spoke alloy wheels made an appearance.

Technical specification

Model 365 P SPECIAL

Engine Rear-mounted 60° V12, light alloy cylinder block and head

Timing gear 2 valves per cylinder, 1 overhead camshaft

Bore and stroke 81 x 71 mm

Unitary and total displacement 365.86/4,390.35 cc

Compression ratio 8.8:1

Maximum power 380 bhp at 7,300 rpm

Transmission Multi-plate clutch, 5-speed gearbox + reverse

Chassis Tubular

Front suspension Independent

Rear suspension Independent

Length 4400 mm

Width 1890 mm

Height 1190 mm

Wheelbase, front and rear track 2600/1480/1470 mm

Kerb weight 1,020 kg

 

[Rev-happy]

I believe at least two were produced. Here is the write up from Ferrari:

365 P Speciale (1966)

In 1966, Pininfarina built a three-seater berlinetta over a V12 mid-engined sports-prototype chassis (4,390 cc, 380bhp). It created a huge furore. This once-off was built to order for Gianni Agnelli and was followed a year later by another special model for Luigi Chinetti. The 365 P Speciale boasted a more harmonious version of the lines of the Dino prototype. The headlights were faired in and the roof was made from Plexiglass for a brighter cockpit. This was also the first time that the characteristic star-shaped five-spoke alloy wheels made an appearance.

Technical specification

Model 365 P SPECIAL

Engine Rear-mounted 60° V12, light alloy cylinder block and head

Timing gear 2 valves per cylinder, 1 overhead camshaft

Bore and stroke 81 x 71 mm

Unitary and total displacement 365.86/4,390.35 cc

Compression ratio 8.8:1

Maximum power 380 bhp at 7,300 rpm

Transmission Multi-plate clutch, 5-speed gearbox + reverse

Chassis Tubular

Front suspension Independent

Rear suspension Independent

Length 4400 mm

Width 1890 mm

Height 1190 mm

Wheelbase, front and rear track 2600/1480/1470 mm

Kerb weight 1,020 kg

Thanks, Boxer.

 

[Boxer]

Last I heard, one of the two was in a private collection in Texas, have not heard anything on the other.

 

[Dj Dirk]

Yep, there are 2 cars
s/n 8815 & 8971

the car that i posted pics of is 8971
that one has always, and still is, belonged to the Chinetti family

not sure where the other one is, that might be the one from Texas that you are reffering to Boxer