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a few months back I was thinking about a 365gt4 2+2 as a first ferrari, but as i read more and more often about "cheap to buy, expensive to run", I got scared and left it dead. However I couldn't shake ferrari out of my head so I began looking at the reliable ferraris - 308, 328, dinos, mondials. I knew about the 208 and didn't consider it, till I recently found out that the gtb/gts came with turbos>:) Well that's nice, because I can have the power of a 3 litre with the size of a 2. In a country which taxes engines over 2000ccs like they're made of gold AND in which to register a car like the 328 would set me back ~8600E (!!!), the 208 suddenly became a very interesting option. However I didn't find anybody talking about them... how reliable are the turbos? Do they pose a problem if not coupled with the later addition of intercoolers? Does it lag alot? Does the car maintain the reliability banner as high as it's 3.2 litre n/a brother? It'd be great to hear some advice from somebody who owns one of these, but any input would be appreciated.
 

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thank you for the listing! however it's not what I'm looking for, the 2 litre n/a really doesn't have even a minimum of umpf!, I'm more after the post 86 328 lookalikes, but earlier models are considered - provided they have the torbo of course. I've found quite a few interesting offers on mobile.de & autoscout24.de, should I decide to pick one.
However, my request for help was regarding knowledge about this model. The internet is poor on resources about this model, so talking to an owner or anybody with experience with the 208 turbos would be a gold mine:)
Cheers!
 

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I doubt you are going to find much information on them. They were only sold in limited numbers in Italy and very few, if any, have been imported into either to the UK or US. From what little I have heard, the turbos on the GTB/GTS are more reliable than the 208 GTB/GTS units. However all can be problematic. In addition I have been told that the turbo lag is pretty bad and you either have all the power or not much. I do remember some mention of them in one of the Buyers Guides. They can be found under the "Articles" tab on the top.
 

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...They were only sold in limited numbers in Italy and very few, if any, have been imported into either to the UK or US...
There are about half-a-dozen of each of the tax-break cars in the UK. The GTB Turbo pictured below I see quite often around Sussex (note the extra duct by the rear wheel arch that helps identify it as a GTB Turbo rather than a 328 GTB).

Production numbers I have are:
208 GT4.............840
208 GTB.............160
208 GTS.............140
208 GTB Turbo.....437
208 GTS Turbo.....251
GTB Turbo...........308
GTS Turbo...........828

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Thank you all for all your efforts to help out:) I'm not looking for US/UK models (I'm not a UK/US citizen), anywhere in the EU EXCEPT UK would be nice for me. I was hoping to avoid that subaru impreza feel - zero power, then woosh! I thought it had 2 turbos, one for every line of cylinders (can you say "zero lag"? :D), however I found out I was wrong. I wrote to one owner which was trying to sell his 208 turbo on autoscout24.de to ask about the lag, and about the maintenance costs - hope to get a reply soon!
 

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There are about half-a-dozen of each of the tax-break cars in the UK. The GTB Turbo pictured below I see quite often around Sussex (note the extra duct by the rear wheel arch that helps identify it as a GTB Turbo rather than a 328 GTB).

Production numbers I have are:
208 GT4.............840
208 GTB.............160
208 GTS.............140
208 GTB Turbo.....437
208 GTS Turbo.....251
GTB Turbo...........308
GTS Turbo...........828

Jonathan
I stand corrected. I was aware of a couple of 208 Turbos in the UK but did not realize that a couple of GTB/GTS had made it across the Channel as well. I did check with the DOT in the US on bringing a GTB/GTS into the US a few years ago and was told that it had not ever officially been done.
 

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I stand corrected. I was aware of a couple of 208 Turbos in the UK but did not realize that a couple of GTB/GTS had made it across the Channel as well. I did check with the DOT in the US on bringing a GTB/GTS into the US a few years ago and was told that it had not ever officially been done.
I had at one time (and maybe still will) considered importing one of these into Canada, as we have a 15 year-old cap on importing cars into the country.

Even though cars of this age are exempt from meeting Transport Canada's rules and regulations, actual registration and licensing is left up to the province and they can enforce these rules regardless... Here in B.C., the car would have to.

Fortunately, because of the similarity between the GTB/GTS Turbo's and the 328, it would be easy to convert to meet the regs. This includes the following:

- AS1 and AS2 grade windows (already on the car)
- DOT/SAE lighting (you'd need to install front and rear side markers and install a third, center-mounted stop light depending on the year of the car. After Jan. 1 1987, all cars had to have that).
- Pass annual emissions testing (tricky. An aftermarket catalytic converter would probably need to be installed. A 328 must put out 0.73% CO and 101ppm HC at idle and 0.67% CO and 89ppm HC driving at 40km/h in order to pass. The GTB/S Turbo may have to meet these same results as the two cars would be considered the same).

Depending where you are located "matts", you may face similar restrictions as the above when it comes time to import and register a 2 litre, turbo car. Check your local rules and regulations.
 

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I live in klausenburg, Romania. If I get a car from the EU, I can register it regardless, because the EU Treaty says no direct/indirect barriers can be placed against trading between member states. The bad news is that our prime minister is bought over by APIA, the official association of automobile producers, so he's invented a tax placed on second-hand cars bought from the EU, so that people are forced to buy new cars. On a new car, the tax is 1-3-10%, but on an old car, the tax can reach 1500%! YES, 15 times the value of the car! X( I'm finishing Law, I analyzed the last version of the tax, and strangely, it respects all the EU rules, although through a loophole. It doesn't respect the SPIRIT, only the LETTER of the law.
Sorry I got carried away... Anyway, I'm lucky, because the tax for a 328 would be "only" ~9000E, and the tax for a 208 turbo a much more acceptable 2000.
I've got a reply from the owner I written to, from what I googletranslated from italian, he said there is no lag whatsoever, you don't even know the turbo is there. He also said that he owned the car for 6 years, and other than oil & filter change, he didn't have to do anything with the car. Can this be true? Or is he saying this only to hasten the sale? The maintenance bit is crucial to me, as the nearest ferrari service is over 500km away. I could have the suspension/brakes/steering part solved over here, but anything that exceeds that is a no-go. What would you do if you were me?
 

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I've got a reply from the owner I written to, from what I googletranslated from italian, he said there is no lag whatsoever, you don't even know the turbo is there. He also said that he owned the car for 6 years, and other than oil & filter change, he didn't have to do anything with the car. Can this be true? Or is he saying this only to hasten the sale? The maintenance bit is crucial to me, as the nearest ferrari service is over 500km away. I could have the suspension/brakes/steering part solved over here, but anything that exceeds that is a no-go. What would you do if you were me?
If that is all the current owner has done to the car in the last 6 years than he has not taken good care of it. At a minimum it would have needed at least one cambelt change and several complete changes of all the liquids (not to mention tires, brakes, etc).
 

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If that is all the current owner has done to the car in the last 6 years than he has not taken good care of it. At a minimum it would have needed at least one cambelt change and several complete changes of all the liquids (not to mention tires, brakes, etc).
Exactly. A car that is now close to 20 years old should have had all of it's hoses, belts, tires replaced. Basically anything made out of rubber will perish over time. Be aware the rubber seals for the GTS roof may leak because of this age.

What you need to do, is find several GTB or GTS Turbo's for sale, travel to Italy and see these cars and their owners (or the dealer if that is how it is being sold) at one time. Choose the best car or cars out of that group and have an independant inspection performed on the car(s) by a reputable Ferrari, or independant specialist garage to determine the actual condition of the car and see if it is worth the asking price. I do not want to sound prejudice, but I have heard the Italians are firm with their prices on cars, especially classics, so it may be hard to negotiate the price. But, with this inspection report and cash in your hand, they may reconsider! If they don't agree, you are probably better off and should walk away from the deal. At least with the inspection report, you know what you are getting and won't buy a bad car. It may cost a few hundred Euros, but that's much less than 1000's of Euros fixing a broken car that was misrepresented.

I wouldn't buy this car you mentioned above. Look for others.
 
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