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Ken's thread got me thinking

While surfing the net a while back I came across a Russian ZiL/ZiS Sports car that was made in the late 30's. I was wondering if anyone had any info about what ever happened to it. What an incredibly cool car to restore and take to Pebble Beach.
Here's a few shots of what it looks like. It sort of looks like a conglomeration of Mercedes/BMW and maybe Alfa from the same time period. Also reminds me of an Auto Union.
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indeed... from some of the pics I've seen it's got some great lines. I was wondering if any of our international members could shed some light. This would be a great find if it was still out there somewhere.

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this is a ZiS 101a Sport:
Year of production: 1939
Overall production: 1 unit
Body: 2-seater 2-door roadster
Engine: 141hp(aluminium pistons)/3300rpm, straight 8-cyl, 4-stroke 5,766cc
Bore/Stroke: 85,0/127,0mm
Length: 5750mm
Wheelbase: 3605mm
Front wheel track: 1550mm
Rear track: 1550mm
Rear axle road clearance: ?mm
Weight: 2 ton
Maximal speed: 162 km/h

This car was built by the group of young ZiS engineers
(Anatoly.I.PUHALIN, Vladimir KREMENETSKY, Nikolai Viktorovich PULMANOV, body designer -
Valentin Nikolaevich ROSTKOV).
Many historians acknowledge that it was a derivation of the '38 Buick 2-dr convertible. Also, I think there is a disagreement whether one or two were made. In any case, I don't think it/they survive.

this is the '38 Buick:
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OK old car guys, move forward twenty years to the ZIL 112-S for a 250 TR take off.

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I've been jonesing for one of these lately - 1054-56 Lancia Aurelia B24S America. Lancia was technologically very advanced in teh 1950s - this car has the world's first production V-6 engine. 240 made. There was one in the "unrestored" class at Pebble in '08. Tiny car.
Show condition - about $400k. A project car needing a complete resto - about $200k. Too much for me . ..
http://www.aureliaspider.com/html/forsale.asp
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OK old car guys, move forward twenty years to the ZIL 112-S for a 250 TR take off.

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jeez, you're not kidding. A 7-liter v-8??!?

Two made.
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I like it.

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I've been jonesing for one of these lately - 1054-56 Lancia Aurelia B24S America. Lancia was technologically very advanced in teh 1950s - this car has the world's first production V-6 engine. 240 made. There was one in the "unrestored" class at Pebble in '08. Tiny car.
Show condition - about $400k. A project car needing a complete resto - about $200k. Too much for me . ..
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The aurelia is truly beautiful. AND while the Buick is interesting I gotta say that the one off ZiL has better symmetry to it. The 112 S is blatant 250 TR copy to be sure. I've searched a few other forums and the 101A has been discussed before but the end result is the same... no one seems to know what ever really became of it. From a design standpoint even if the real one could not be found it wouldn't it be cool to re-create it.

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