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post #1 of 35 Old 01-29-2013, 01:41 PM Thread Starter
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Hello- I am investigating the different options for upsizing to a 18" or 19" wheel for my 1991 Testarossa. I have read that 360 Modena 18" wheels bolt on directly without spacers using the OEM 360 bolts and that 512 wheels need spacers from Hill. How about 550 or 612 wheels? Has anyone had any experience with these?

Any feedback is much appreciated! Cheers.
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Tom- 612 wheels will not fit, 5x114.3 mm bolt pattern vs 5x108 mm on your TR. Personally, I would go with 512 TR wheels if you can find a set. Not sure how the others would look.

Have a look at these wheels as an alternative. They look good on a TR.

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Thanks Taz. I agree regarding the 512 wheels but with the spacers and rubber they are a bit out of my price range. I think I may find a set of used 360 wheels and powder coat them black to get the more modern look I'm going for. If I end up doing that what tires would you recommend? 225/40-18 up front and 275/35-18 in back? I appreciate the help.
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Tom, another alternative you might consider are HRE's "new" Vintage series wheels. They're re-creations of some of the iconic styles of the 70's and 80's, but using 21st century manufacturing techniques & materials. Here's their 505 for the Testarossa:
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Tom- With 18" wheels, I would use OEM sizes for the 512 TR if you can find them. 235/40 18 F and 295/35 18 R.

Michelin makes PS2 tires in those sizes. The new Pilot Super Sports come in the front size, but not the rear.

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I've read 225 is as large as you can go on the front 7.5" wide 360 wheel. The stock 360 tires are F:215/45 and R:275/40 so maybe I should just stick with those? Sorry for the repeat questions but I am trying to get this right the first time. Cheers.
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Tom- That is the trouble with the mid-engine V8 wheels. The fronts are narrower than TR OEM (7.5" vs 8"). I personally would never fit narrower than OEM wheels. The 360 wheels are ok on a 3x8, but on a TR......

The 235/40 18 recommended rim width is 8"-9".

550 wheels are wider F&R (8.5" F, 10.5" R), but I have not tracked TR wheel offsets, so not sure if they would work. Here are all the offsets for wheels from the 348 on.
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Thanks John- this is gorgeous wheel to say the least. I recently went through a custom order with HRE for my 993 and while I will concede that they make the best looking and best quality wheels available, the total cost was not easy for me to justify.

I'm looking to modernize my TR a bit with some black wheels (I love the look of black wheels on a Rosso Corsa car) and would like to do it with Ferrari wheels if possible. A set of used 18" 360 wheels can be had for less than $1800 and I can powder coat them black myself for a marginal cost. Add another $1k for new rubber and mount/balance/install and I have reached my goal for under $3k all in. With HRE I could probably get my dream set of P45SC 19" in satin black but $3k would barely get me two wheels!

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Thanks so much for all the good information Taz. I have been told that 550 wheels fit perfect up front but are a no-go on the rear offset. Just curious- would you mind elaborating about placing a narrower front wheel on the TR? I've read most of the posts from TR owners that used the 360 wheels and there were no complaints so I'm interested in hearing more.

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Tom- That is the trouble with the mid-engine V8 wheels. The fronts are narrower than TR OEM (7.5" vs 8"). I personally would never fit narrower than OEM wheels. The 360 wheels are ok on a 3x8, but on a TR......

The 235/40 18 recommended rim width is 8"-9".

550 wheels are wider F&R (8.5" F, 10.5" R), but I have not tracked TR wheel offsets, so not sure if they would work. Here are all the offsets for wheels from the 348 on.
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Thanks so much for all the good information Taz. I have been told that 550 wheels fit perfect up front but are a no-go on the rear offset. Just curious- would you mind elaborating about placing a narrower front wheel on the TR? I've read most of the posts from TR owners that used the 360 wheels and there were no complaints so I'm interested in hearing more.
I have seen some pics of TR's with the 360 modular wheels, and it looks very good. Check ebay and exoticarauto in Florida. Chris is the contact, bought my pre-owned 360 modular wheels from him. They were close to perfect. Paid 2k - 2200 if I remember right.

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Tom- The car's handling and braking were balanced for the 8" and 10" wheels. Narrower front wheels will tend to give you more understeer. On the TR, roll oversteer and just plain rear weight bias oversteer tend to be the final condition when you lose the car. This oversteer can be controlled with quick (very quick) corrections from the steering. With the narrower front wheels, you could conceivably have more understeer followed by heavy oversteer when she lets go with less chance of catching the car. Going wider at the front or rear just gives you more bite on that end.

If you do not press the car hard, likely not a problem. Handling problems are exaggerated in the wet, naturally.

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Tom, if you really like the 360 wheels, there are several sources that offer widening services. One outfit is up in Michigan and another in LA. If you're interested I can dig through the hard drive and see if I have contact information.

I'm with Taz on fitting narrower than OEM wheels & tires - I just wouldn't do it, especially on a heavy, rearward biased midengine car like the TR.

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John- I tend to agree with you and Taz. I am also guilty of looking at the dessert menu before my appetizer has even arrived. My TR will be delivered this weekend and it is 100% stock with 16k miles. I think I should take some time and really get to know her before considering any mods. Plus it will be easier to justify blowing $6k on new HREs a few months in

Thanks again to all for the valuable input.

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Tom, if you really like the 360 wheels, there are several sources that offer widening services. One outfit is up in Michigan and another in LA. If you're interested I can dig through the hard drive and see if I have contact information.

I'm with Taz on fitting narrower than OEM wheels & tires - I just wouldn't do it, especially on a heavy, rearward biased midengine car like the TR.
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I upgraded my TR with F40 Brembo brakes and 3-piece HRE 547 wheels

Better ride, better braking, better looking, more modern car IMHO
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That is a beautiful ride my friend - nice work! If you don't mind me asking, how much did the F40 brakes set you back and how difficult/modified was the installation process?

As for the wheels, I just closed on a set of 19" Scud wheels that have been powder coated black. Stay tuned for pics after I install next week. Cheers!
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Tom- Solves that problem, because the Scuderia/16M wheels are 8" F and 10" R.

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Tom- Solves that problem, because the Scuderia/16M wheels are 8" F and 10" R.
My thoughts exactly Taz- plus the set was sold with brand new rubber mounted, balanced and filled with nitrogen so it will be an easy DIY install for me. Thanks again for all the helpful input
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Tom- Sounds like you got them from Chris in Florida.

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Tom- Sounds like you got them from Chris in Florida.
Correct sir- Chris was very easy to work with. Hoping for a seamless installation next week. Have a nice weekend.
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That is a beautiful ride my friend - nice work! If you don't mind me asking, how much did the F40 brakes set you back and how difficult/modified was the installation process?

As for the wheels, I just closed on a set of 19" Scud wheels that have been powder coated black. Stay tuned for pics after I install next week. Cheers!
Parts and labor, shipping for all four wheels, P-Zeros and brakes was close to $25,000. It was spec'd and shipped by Norwood in Texas, installed by the mechanics at Competezione (FL sponsor) when they worked at the local Ferrari dealer. That was almost 15 years ago.

I suspect in the age of the Internet and dis-aggregation, you may find better pricing.

Norwood also sourced a carbon/glass deck-lid and a carbon heat shield (below the air intake).

Check it out: http://www.norwoodperformance.com/tr_carbon_fiber.htm

Love the black wheels Tom, please post pics!
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