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FCA Concour Judging Questions

Guys,

Posted this on the ferrarichat.com site but thought I'd post here as well...

I am the proud new owner of TR 78565. She's a very nice '88.5 Red/Tan example with only 6562 miles. Currently she's passing through the capable hands of Messers Crall and Willis and should be in my garage in about two weeks. Pics. to follow there upon, I promiss!

I was lucky enough to see Rick's (Sandy Eggo) beautiful TR get judged at this year's Concorso Italiano and it has inspried me to prep this car for judging next year.

I am a veteren of many classic Corvette "Top Flight" judgings but I really don't know the points criteria for this judging and I would like input on the deductions I will face for the following items that are not currently with the car:

1. Tool roll missing the "long" slotted blade screw driver. (Working on this one)

2. Missing the OEM Champion spark plug. (Will the modern equivalent be ok?)

3. No "Owners Warranty and Service Book". (Should I try to find either a repro.
or a book orphaned from another car, etc?)

I have all the other "bits and pieces" including a full jack kit, emergencey light, the original window sticker, and all the other books and pamphlets except the Service / Warranty book.

Operationally the car is 100% save the console parking light bulb.

So I'd like your thoughts on which of the above items are worth chasing down and any other input on common judging pitfalls.

Thanks in advance for any comments and guidance.

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It's funny, but few people who enter Ferrari in Concours competition have actually read the rules. They were promulgated years ago by the International Advisory Committee for the Preservation of the Ferrari Automobile ("IAC/PFA").

Here they are (below the rules, I have provided my opinion re: your three questions. I have previously judged the TR class at the FCA Reading (PA) Concorso under the IAC/PFA Rules):

1. Each Ferrari entered for judging is expected to be fully operational and driven onto the show field for placement in the designated class. Cars are to be shown fully assembled; all parts such as wheels, bumpers, tops, belly pans, etc., are to be attached to the vehicle in the original position. The owner is to be present with the vehicle during the judging. If, for good reason, the owner cannot be available, a single individual may be designated by the owner to show the car during the Class judging process. Owners are encouraged to bring a copy of the original Factory build sheets for their car if available.
2. Each vehicle will be judged by a three person team. Each Judge will evaluate one of the following categories: exterior, interior, engine/chassis. Each component in each category will be judged for both originality and condition. Factory options are considered original, after-market options are not. One of the Judges will be designated the Chief Class Judge, who will be responsible for introductions, final class decisions, submission of the results, and feedback to interested entrants. Judging conflicts of interest are to be avoided. A car may not change from display to judged after the deadline for applications.
3. At the start of judging, each car is assumed to have a perfect score of 100 points. As each component is judged, deductions of 0-5 points will be made as appropriate. Each car in the class will be judged by the same team in the same manner. A minimum of 95 points is required for 1st place (Platinum), 90 points for the single 2nd place (Gold), and 85 points for the single 3rd place (Silver). Platinum winners are eligible for Major Awards consideration. The one exception is Pebble Beach where the first, second, and third place winners are all eligible for the Luigi Chinetti Trophy.
4. The Judges will not handle or operate the automobile. Owners or their designated representatives will be asked to demonstrate the proper functioning of components, such as doors, windows, hood, trunk lid, and lights. Such items will be checked on competition cars where applicable. Equipment such as horns, radios, and air conditioning will be briefly checked for operability. A Judge may ask to sit in the car with feet outside for the purpose of properly evaluating the interior of the vehicle.
5. Convertibles are to be judged with the soft top up and properly fastened. Cars with removable roof panels will be judged with the panels in place. Cars that were originally provided with tools and an owner’s manual should have such items available for inspection. Authorized reprints are acceptable. The glove box pouch should be available where applicable. Those entering multiple cars must have a separate tool kit and manual for each entry.
6. The person showing the car will be asked to start the car and run the engine at idle. Proper instrument operation will be evaluated, the engine compartment will be checked for leaks, and lights will be tested. Quartz clock movements with the proper original appearance will be acceptable as a replacement in older cars. If there is a malfunction of any kind, the owner or representative will be given a chance to correct the fault while the next car in the class is being judged.
7. Factory-provided pollution control equipment should be as originally installed and have a working appearance. Modifications to headlights and other lights to conform tofederal law, and modifications of structural and exhaust components to allow registration of gray market cars, will be acceptable so long as the changes are consistent and do not seriously detract from the original appearance of the automobile.
8. Routine replacement items, such as spark plugs, filters, battery, window glass, and tires, need not be the exact original brand or type provided that replacements conform to the general appearance, characteristics, and size of the original. Tires with the correct profile should be fitted to original rims and any spare should match unless the spare is an original specially-equipped Factory item.
9. If a car has unique or unusual design characteristics that place originality in question, the entrant should be prepared to offer substantiating documentation to the Chief Class Judge. Safety-related items that are not original, but which were added for safety purposes, such as seat belts, fire extinguisher, side view mirror, or alarm system, will be acceptable provided the installation of such items is neat, unobtrusive, and does not detract from the original appearance of the automobile. This also applies to audio-visual and telecommunications equipment.
10. The key purpose of the Concorso is to promote the preservation of the Ferrari in its original state. Therefore, the primary focus of the judging will be on originality, authenticity and condition, with minor emphasis on cosmetics. Deductions will be made for over-restoration; extravagance detracts from originality. Applied patina is discouraged. Spyder conversions and unauthorized rebodies are ineligible for judging. Over-cleanliness is unnecessary; some slight road dust and wear is to be expected. Ferraris are meant to be driven.

1. You should find the missing screwdriver, although this should not be more than a half-point deduction if the rest of the tools and tool pouch/box is there.
2. Per rule 8 above, the modern equivalent for a "routine replacement item" should not be a point deduction; plus, judges are not supposed to remove items like spark plug boots to check items like that.
3. I do not remember these items; the owner's manual and its pouch must be with the car. If items such as service booklets and warranty cards came in the manual pouch, then I would try to have them. But, again, these missing incidentals should not constitute more than a half-point deduction.


p.s., you are in excellent hands w/ Mr. Crall.
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Guys,

Posted this on the ferrarichat.com site but thought I'd post here as well...

I am the proud new owner of TR 78565. She's a very nice '88.5 Red/Tan example with only 6562 miles. Currently she's passing through the capable hands of Messers Crall and Willis and should be in my garage in about two weeks. Pics. to follow there upon, I promiss!

I was lucky enough to see Rick's (Sandy Eggo) beautiful TR get judged at this year's Concorso Italiano and it has inspried me to prep this car for judging next year.

I am a veteren of many classic Corvette "Top Flight" judgings but I really don't know the points criteria for this judging and I would like input on the deductions I will face for the following items that are not currently with the car:

1. Tool roll missing the "long" slotted blade screw driver. (Working on this one)

2. Missing the OEM Champion spark plug. (Will the modern equivalent be ok?)

3. No "Owners Warranty and Service Book". (Should I try to find either a repro.
or a book orphaned from another car, etc?)

I have all the other "bits and pieces" including a full jack kit, emergencey light, the original window sticker, and all the other books and pamphlets except the Service / Warranty book.

Operationally the car is 100% save the console parking light bulb.

So I'd like your thoughts on which of the above items are worth chasing down and any other input on common judging pitfalls.

Thanks in advance for any comments and guidance.

:harry


Since I am an IAC/PFA Senior Judge and the car is here maybe we should talk.

My better half is as well and she was the Chief Class Judge for Rick's car that day.

Also print this out and keep a copy.

http://www.ferrariclubofamerica.org/...play.cfm?id=68

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p.s., you are in excellent hands w/ Mr. Crall.


Thank you very much.

Leslie and I hope you are planning on attending FCA 2012 with that terrific car of yours. We are planning on showing our TR there. It should be a great venue.


We might wind up being at Cavallino this year if Ed Gilbertson feels we can be of some use. If you are there we will say hello.

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