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F50 - surprising opinion

I was at the F dealer this morning as had heard some odd, clunking noises from the rear of my 355 at the weekend. They found that some nuts/bolts not tightened properly on the driveshaft (or thereabouts). Replaced them and so hopefully now okay. I've been driving it a lot (2000 km in less than 4 weeks) and have also been driving it fairly hard - at least a lot harder than it is used to as I believe the former owner was a polisher and not a driver!

Whilst they were investigating I chatted with the dealer. Asked whether they had sold any supercars or knew of any for sale. Was told that they had almost done a deal on an F50. However, there had been some issues and the potential purchaser had pulled out and then the seller had decided to hold onto it.

I asked the dealer what it was like to drive the F50. I was expecting to hear him wax lyrical about it....but he simply said "unpleasant"! Went on to say that on the right road, when you could give it some gas, it was fine but most of the time it was just too loud and too uncomfortable with all the mechanical noise and vibration passed directly into the cabin and that at normal revs the carbon fibre tub often develops an unpleasant resonance.

I'd like to have an opinion myself on the matter but my experience of F50s limited to viewing them as static objects as not even seen one moving so far.
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Non-Factory exhaust can cause resonances. Closed Hard-Top is a lot noisier also.

Factory exhaust and Barchetta-Configuration is very comfortable in my opinion.
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Non-Factory exhaust can cause resonances. Closed Hard-Top is a lot noisier also.

Factory exhaust and Barchetta-Configuration is very comfortable in my opinion.
M1076, sounds like a perfect match which I can only dream of .

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SM- Sounds about right if the dealer was used to normal, street civilized Ferraris with rubber isolating everything. The F50 engine is pretty much bolted directly to the chassis, so all those great vibes come right through to the cabin. Nirvana for an enthusiast, anathema to someone who may drive a Mercedes as a DD.

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Take it this is a Roll Royce dealer?
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Take it this is a Roll Royce dealer?
No. They were main F dealer in German part of Switzerland.
Probably sold most F supercars in Switzerland. Dealership started by his father (and now run with his two brothers - the oldest drove briefly in F1).
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I got some interesting info I hadn't known. Apparently 288 GTO was not approved for use in Switzerland. Was too loud. Same for F40. However one specialist in Fribourg managed to get approval by making changes to make them quieter. Cost to do so around $60000 for a 288 and $40'000 for an F40! Became easier when Switzerland EU regulations. So F50 was never a problem.
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I got some interesting info I hadn't known. Apparently 288 GTO was not approved for use in Switzerland. Was too loud. Same for F40. However one specialist in Fribourg managed to get approval by making changes to make them quieter. Cost to do so around $60000 for a 288 and $40'000 for an F40! Became easier when Switzerland EU regulations. So F50 was never a problem.
I also heard at one point that the rear wings were a problem for Swiss regulations.
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One of my clients sold his F50 for just that reason and I am convinced that is one reason so few get driven much.

The car has great driving manners but is very loud inside. I have known a number of people who wear headsets with voice communication so they can be comfortable and communicate without yelling at each other.

I love the way they drive but even if I could afford it, the interior noise level would prevent me from having one.


I already have hearing loss from cars. I don't need any more.
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The F50 is not designed to be comfortable or quiet.
When driving it, one should always remember that is one of the thing to a proper F1 car.
I think it is already a miracle it has air conditioning...

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The F50 is not designed to be comfortable or quiet.
I think it is already a miracle it has air conditioning...
True.

But at least the aircon wasn't like that of the xj220 which would drip on the passengers feet.
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The F50 is not designed to be comfortable or quiet.
When driving it, one should always remember that is one of the thing to a proper F1 car.
I think it is already a miracle it has air conditioning...


An F1 car only gets driven for an hour and a half at a time and they have to pay pretty good to get people to do that.


And it is well documented that A/C slows a car down less than rolling down the windows.
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I think the F50 is just the best Ferrari ever!

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I buy Classic ear plugs, the same ones I wore in the USAF, by the 200 pair carton, so the noise level would not bother me.

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I have always had mine set up as a Barchetta and the noise has never bothered me (it is fitted with a Tubi exhaust). I don't think it is any louder than the F40 and compared to the Jaguar XJR-15 it is near stealth like.
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I also heard at one point that the rear wings were a problem for Swiss regulations.
Correct, the rear wing was a Problem because Swiss law asked for a max. distance between Hood upperside and wing downside of lets say 20 centimeters. That of the F40 was maybe 30 cm's. What they did was fixing a plastic or carbon part in between so that this distance narrowed to the limited distance. After MOT they removed it again because it looked ugly.

Additionaly noise Levels had to be adjusted too to swiss law. Also non-cat F40 have never been homologated to Swiss law and still are not despite partial adjustment to EU law. Only way to drive a F40 without cat is to buy from a EU citizen who choose to move his Point of residency to Switzerland. With that he was able to bring his own belongings to Switzerland too, hence some rare occasions that a non-cat F40 from such a Person is verified to drive legally under Swiss plates.

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One of my clients sold his F50 for just that reason and I am convinced that is one reason so few get driven much.

The car has great driving manners but is very loud inside. I have known a number of people who wear headsets with voice communication so they can be comfortable and communicate without yelling at each other.

I love the way they drive but even if I could afford it, the interior noise level would prevent me from having one.


I already have hearing loss from cars. I don't need any more.

Noise Level is up to the individual listener like sensing pop music as "loud" by people. Also individual people will rate certain frequenies as noiseful whereas others do not. Thats the reason why hearing aids needs to be well choosen and adjusted to that individuality. Anyway, I would rate my noise sensitivity as rather high, saying I hate to much noise. I respect that scepticism of some people here.

The F50 is a louder car when: a) the hard top is on and maybe when b) a non original exhaust is on the car and c) if the noise dampening carbon tub overlaying alcantara in the back and under the seats is not present (earlier models).

Generally, I never wear earplugs in the F50 and as said, I'm noise sensitive.

My F50 had a non original exhaust on, no noise dampening alcantara (just the naked and beautiful Tub exposed) and the hard top on when I started to test it before buying. The noise level when driving was almost like in Boxers Jaguar, veery loud.
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After, with the alcantara AND original exhaust AND still hard top, the noise level was acceptable for short/medium distances but of course louder than in any F-car I had before,

But with the hard top away, the F50 is not louder than a Scud or any other Ferrari and veeeeery pleasant to enjoy, except that the tub vibrations are felt in the back, which I like very much as this is part of the, well "special" feeling. It is ONE aspect of what makes that car so special when driving it. But be assured, the car is not especially loud if Points a+b+c are present in the appropriate way.
Other way said, I would use the F50 easy on a 3'k fled, noise wouldn't be a issue. The really only problem is luggage space for 2 persons 5 days.

Have driven my F50 now about 4'k since owning it and love, really love to drive it. Just my 0.02

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No. They were main F dealer in German part of Switzerland.
Probably sold most F supercars in Switzerland. Dealership started by his father (and now run with his two brothers - the oldest drove briefly in F1).
The Foitek Brothers are nice guys and they are definitively competent. Like with all cars, some like those whereas others would prefer other cars.
The F50 really splits the drivers and connaiseurs. Some want a Ferrari for pleasant, but in time forceful driving with a wife as co Driver...any modern F-car will be great. Some like to dig more into the "racier" Feeling but with luggage, they will choose a Challenge Stradale, a Scud and if possible a F40 (with good luggage space). Thats often to loud already for the wifes after a prolonged drive, so those owners, (maybe also you) for the sake of family happyness turn back to the quiter, more modern ones (to be frustrated afterwards about the change as often the new ones are to perfect with to less mechanical Feelings and the TOO much kind of piloting a computer ). So it's a back and forth of feelings, which we all know just too well.

And then it's the F50, it is just so special from most of the others. It gives raw, unfiltered mechanical and driving experience. To use for your newly aquired feminine love affair ?...forget it. You want to drive, feel, push and lough loud. Thats all. It's a lot, !

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Well said, Rolf! The world would be a boring place if we all are the same looking and liking the same things... These differences, and understanding of them, make us all enjoy each other company during FLED... well, after some more bottles of whisky and champagne, we even like each other more...

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