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post #1 of 32 Old 01-13-2013, 02:10 PM Thread Starter
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rules on importing F40

Hello all, I have read as much as I can on the subject, but I am still not certain, I have read some government publications and they really are not making me feel as if I know everything I need to.

If I were to buy a non USA F40, could it be legally imported into the USA. If so, could it be legally titled, registered and driven on our streets without any conversions?

I live in NJ, where the inspection/registration process is less difficult than in some other states.

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Rich- Early models that are over 25 years old can be imported without having to convert them. Production ran from 1987-1992, I believe, so the 1987 production cars are eligible now and some early 1988 production. Longer you wait, the easier it will be.

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Thanks Taz, that is kind of what I was thinking, but like I said, I was not certain. Now I can begin a search. They seem to be a little less pricey overseas.

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Thanks Taz, that is kind of what I was thinking, but like I said, I was not certain. Now I can begin a search. They seem to be a little less pricey overseas.

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Rich would appreciate you sharing any information.

I am not 100% positive but leaning towards taking on the same adventure.

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Rich- Early models that are over 25 years old can be imported without having to convert them. Production ran from 1987-1992, I believe, so the 1987 production cars are eligible now and some early 1988 production. Longer you wait, the easier it will be.
+1, only thing you will need to do is pay 2.5% import duty. Suggest you call Mike Sheehan to verify as he brings a few cars over every year for his clients.
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Hello all, Champagne, I will certianly let you know what I come across as far as info is concerned. Boxer, thank you for the recommendation. I have a good friend across the pond who would be a big help. It seems that there are always more to choose from overseas. Being I want to drive it, I may have better luck outside the USA. I do not want a super low mile car. Actually as long as it was maintained, I am not too worried about mileage, as long as price reflects. This may become a fun search!
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Hello all, Champagne, I will certianly let you know what I come across as far as info is concerned. Boxer, thank you for the recommendation. I have a good friend across the pond who would be a big help. It seems that there are always more to choose from overseas. Being I want to drive it, I may have better luck outside the USA. I do not want a super low mile car. Actually as long as it was maintained, I am not too worried about mileage, as long as price reflects. This may become a fun search!
This one is still a bit "young" for export to the US but might be worth a call just to get an idea of price and condition: Used Ferrari F40 - UK Supplied car - Non Cat & Non A... for sale - PistonHeads (Ref 824329)
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Thank you Boxer, that sounds like a nice car. Champagne, I spoke with Mike Sheehan, and he told me an emphatic NO to importing an F40, regardless of year. He was running out the door, so he did not have time to answer my questions in full, but he said no way. Something about the frames are different from US and Euro, I thought after 25 years ( 87-88) the point was moot as the exemption would take precidence. I am now even more unclear, can the Euro cars simply not come over, or is Mike speaking with the thought I want the car bought to US spec? I just want the car. I don't care what country it was built for as long as I can drive it legally in the USA.
Mike said he would keep me in mind. I guess I will call him when he has more time, then I am sure he can explain the finer details. For anyone looking, he has an F50 for sale, high miles, nice looking car.

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I actually like that F50 and there is an entire thread here on that car.

Maybe others who know more will chime in - but that doesn't make any sense.

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Thank you Boxer, that sounds like a nice car. Champagne, I spoke with Mike Sheehan, and he told me an emphatic NO to importing an F40, regardless of year. He was running out the door, so he did not have time to answer my questions in full, but he said no way. Something about the frames are different from US and Euro, I thought after 25 years ( 87-88) the point was moot as the exemption would take precidence. I am now even more unclear, can the Euro cars simply not come over, or is Mike speaking with the thought I want the car bought to US spec? I just want the car. I don't care what country it was built for as long as I can drive it legally in the USA.
Mike said he would keep me in mind. I guess I will call him when he has more time, then I am sure he can explain the finer details. For anyone looking, he has an F50 for sale, high miles, nice looking car.

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Rich, IMO the american F40 version has additional contructional body details to guarantee safety measures. One is strengthening the side of the car against impact, the other is the outer bumper point distances towards the core of the body. Just my 2 cents.

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Thank you Boxer, that sounds like a nice car. Champagne, I spoke with Mike Sheehan, and he told me an emphatic NO to importing an F40, regardless of year. He was running out the door, so he did not have time to answer my questions in full, but he said no way. Something about the frames are different from US and Euro, I thought after 25 years ( 87-88) the point was moot as the exemption would take precidence. I am now even more unclear, can the Euro cars simply not come over, or is Mike speaking with the thought I want the car bought to US spec? I just want the car. I don't care what country it was built for as long as I can drive it legally in the USA.
Mike said he would keep me in mind. I guess I will call him when he has more time, then I am sure he can explain the finer details. For anyone looking, he has an F50 for sale, high miles, nice looking car.

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All the information on importing a car is: Vehicle Importation and Certification Requirements

I would also email Dick Merritt directly for clarification: [email protected]
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Thank you Export and thanks again Boxer. It surely appears I need to do a heck of a lot of more research. I really have read a fair amount on this, but most of my reading creates as many questions as it answers.

It must be possible, as there are scads of BBs here and they were never made for US. Maybe the fact that they were never made for US helps as an "educational" vehicle?

Anyway, I do appreciate everyones input.

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I have been looking as well but the recent US cars available have been low mile examples and don't make sense price wise for someone that wants to drive them.

Euro F40s are generally less expensive and there are many more to choose from though many have been thrashed/ crashed.

I am not sure the US "specialist" brokers are right about importing F40s. They each like to think they control some share of the collector car market because of their respective client networks. It is not in their interest to support Euro imports since a flood of these cars into the US would negatively impact prices and therefore drop their transaction fees, generally some fraction of the sales price. The value of their client network also diminishes when more cars end up with people they don't know.

Please report back what you find on importing Euro F40s into the US.
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I appreciate all input and opinions. I really thought that after 25 years (87-88my) they become exempt and can be imported.
I intend to use the car, it will not be a show piece, so low miles, previous issues with paint and such will not scare me, as long as it is priced accordingly.
If I buy a 'museum piece" that will defeat the purpose as I will then be afraid to use it as it was intended.
I find many more available in Europe, and priced a little less expensive than in the States.

I am in no rush, so I will wait the right car for me. The only problem with being patient is it appears the F40 prices are rising, although Ferrari Market Letter shows that trend slowing. I can't help but wonder if the release of the new supercar will have any effect on F40 pricing. My thought is it will affect the Enzo the most, as that will no longer be the latest. The F40 seems to have established itself firmly.

I will keep researching until I find a definate answer!!!

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Rich- It might affect Enzo prices, but probably not the F40. With 1315 built, they are not exactly rare, especially compared to a 288 GTO or F50, but they are very desirable cars and should hold up fine. Unless, of course, current prices are a bubble and that pops.

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I am in no rush, so I will wait the right car for me. The only problem with being patient is it appears the F40 prices are rising, although Ferrari Market Letter shows that trend slowing. I can't help but wonder if the release of the new supercar will have any effect on F40 pricing. My thought is it will affect the Enzo the most, as that will no longer be the latest. The F40 seems to have established itself firmly.

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I would be shocked if the Enzo II launch had any impact on F40 prices.

In terms of importing one to the US, I would give Dick Merritt at the DOT a quick call as he will be able to tell you exactly what the requirements are.
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Rich , regardless of the fact that 1315 where made , and the fact that the Enzo replacement does not seam like it will afect the price of F40's i would go soon and get myself one. Getting i nice F40 is not easy. 1315 where manufactured but when getting the one for you it will seam like there where only half of them made. Do not wait!!!!! I think also that they will keep going up in price.
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Rich- Dick Merritt contact info. I think you will find importing a car over 25 years old is pretty simple, but Dick is the expert. He is the same Richard Merritt who wrote books on Ferraris in the 70s and 80s, so will enjoy hearing about your F1 to three pedal conversion.

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Thank you all. I am always amazed at the knowlege on this site. I will make the calls.

Yes, that was my wishful thinking that 40 prices dip!!! Not going to happen, at least not for me to enjoy!!

It is really interesting. I have owned 3 superbirds, they made 1935 or so in Dec 1969. I could find one tomorrow if I wanted.I realize 600 more vehicles is considerable, but the birds were never well cared for when new, so I doubt there are more than 1200 left. The F40 is much more illusive. I think that is because they stay with their owners, and they probably don't trade in the public's view often.

The search is on!
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