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SSO: Ferrari F50 Buying Advice

Of course, I'm not in the market, but I thought it was a good educated read, and could help future buyers?

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The Ferrari supercar world is a small one and as an owner, I get approached on a semi regular basis for advice on what to look for when buying either an F40 or an F50. I am not an expert on either model by any stretch of the imagination, I just drive them. However having owned both for several years now, I do have a bit of experience in terms of what issues might arise. Most buyers I talk to though seem much more concerned with mileage & history, and the impact of both on values, that anything else. The concern with mileage is really quite perplexing. It is a major focus in both the UK and US but much less so in other markets. Fortunately, this focus on mileage does seem have an expiration date. I have never heard of anyone being concerned about the mileage on a 250 GTO, 250 SWB, 275 GTB, or 365 GTB/4 Daytona. The only thing that counts on any of these great Ferraris is condition, as it should. Personally I think the same should apply to all the Ferrari supercars. In fact most of the ones that I have seen that run beautifully are used regularly. Two F40s and a F50 that I have seen stranded by the side of the road were all ultra-low mileage concurs garage queens. These are machines that were designed to be driven and run best when used regularly. One other factor that many buyers don't realize in regards to the F40, F50, and 288 GTO is that they are easy to clock. So unless a specific car has a complete ironclad history from the day it first rolled out of the gates of Maranello, I would not put too much stock in the odometer reading.

Focusing specifically on the F50, (the latest issue of EVO has an excellent buyers guide on the F40) history is another area that buyers tend to put a lot of focus on. As F50s are all LHD (exception being a small number of cars converting to RHD by Pininfarina for the Sultan of Brunei's family), with the fluctuations in exchange rate over the last 15-25 years, many of these cars have moved through multiple countries. While in the US & UK, most supercar owners tend to keep detailed service records, in other markets it is much less common. As cars move across borders records can get misplaced. In Germany, Italy, & Spain, a stamped service book is more the norm than a box of detailed receipts. I have also seen a couple of F50s in Germany and Italy that had zero history with the cars as they had always been maintained by the owners private mechanic. I do like to see the detailed history on a car but from a personal standpoint, it is really only the last 4-5 years that matter. What happened 15 years ago is interesting but not really relevant to the current condition.

On any Ferrari, a detailed pre purchase inspection by a qualified mechanic is highly recommended. I would also insist on a compression and leak down test to insure that the engine is health.
Specific items to check on an F50 are:

- clutch, check condition and when it was last replaced, they are fragile and can be ruined easily if the car is not driven properly

- the gearbox seals dry out and fail if the car is not used regularly, if they do, oil will spray onto the clutch plate and ruin it.

- the fuel bag tank needs to be replaced every fifteen years, find out when it was done.

- tires, check the condition and date codes, ideally they should not be more than a few years old

- check the adjustable suspension, make sure it is working properly, if the car is stored with the suspension up, it can fail.

- the electronic digital dashboards are known to fail. Repair can be a six month job and cost $$$$$. Make sure it is working properly. Go through the entire start up procedure.

- it is possible to "clock" an F50, and many have had the dashboards changed from KM to MPH, When this is done mileage can get "lost". Make sure the cars condition and history all matches.

- the fabric on the seats fades over time and is difficult to clean. Check condition. Likewise for the exposed carbonfiber on the doors. It can turn milky.

- if the air-conditioner is not regularly used and serviced, it will likely need replacement

- the water temp sensors & expansion bottle seals will eventually fail and need replacement, check if this has been done.
Make sure the following items are with the car:

- hard top in box

- emergency soft top (should be in a long thin bag attached behind the seats

- build picture book & letter from Luca Di Montezemolo

- 3 piece luggage set

- rechargeable flashlight

- tool kit, tire repair bottle, tow eye, wheel removal nut

- if the hard top is currently on the car, make sure all the items for the Barchetta set up are present: 2 roll hoops, rear deck lid, bolts, etc.

- owner's manual & service book

- a few of the early cars were delivered without any sound deadening between the rear firewall and drivers compartment. These transmit significantly more noise into the cockpit and can be very grinding to drive long distances.

The above list is what I have picked up from living with an F50 for many years now. Buying this great Ferrari supercar is one of the better decisions I have made this century.
SSO: Ferrari F50 Buying Advice blog on Evo Community by Secret Supercar Owner

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May I add for the matter of exactness that the F50's lugagge set is a "3" piece one instead of 2 pieces mentioned before.
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......SSO: Ferrari F50 Buying Advice blog on Evo Community by Secret Supercar Owner[/URL]
I am 99.9% sure that The Secret Supercar Owner is also writer for the same subject in FL. The 0.1% allows the possibility of plagiarism from another person

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May I add for the matter of exactness that the F50's lugagge set is a "3" piece one instead of 2 pieces mentioned before.
thanks for the info, edited the post and put it in

I wonder if that writer is a member of this forum?

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May I add for the matter of exactness that the F50's lugagge set is a "3" piece one instead of 2 pieces mentioned before.
Which is the 3rd piece?
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Which is the 3rd piece?
1 lugagge piece for the suit, 1 bigger suit case and 1 luggage piece (long and narrow) probably for shoe pairs.

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1 lugagge piece for the suit, 1 bigger suit case and 1 luggage piece (long and narrow) probably for shoe pairs.
Never seen the shoe bag. Do you have a picture?
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Never seen the shoe bag. Do you have a picture?
Main bag, Suit bag and "shoe" bag, all with Ferrari horse emblem and schedoni named zipper...you don't have it...your F50 just lost 70% of its value....;-).
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An F50 shoe bag and the shoes recently sold on eBay. I had never heard of them before that.

Boxer, think of our reputation man, you can't be seen with such a worthless and incomplete car. Best sell it to me until you can find a bag and shoes....

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An F50 shoe bag and the shoes recently sold on eBay. I had never heard of them before that.

Boxer, think of our reputation man, you can't be seen with such a worthless and incomplete car. Best sell it to me until you can find a bag and shoes....
I really don't get the shoes part. Why would anyone want a smell pair of used 15 years old shoes.

On second thought, I might put a few of my old pairs on ebay under the heading of rare F50 Drivers Shoes

(authentic shoes used to drive an F50 )
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An F50 shoe bag and the shoes recently sold on eBay. I had never heard of them before that.

Boxer, think of our reputation man, you can't be seen with such a worthless and incomplete car. Best sell it to me until you can find a bag and shoes....
Well, thats the beauty of a collector item Anyway, Boxer you should not be that harsh regarding the shoes. What if my shoes came from Giselle BŁndchen....?! Anyway the shoes are from TOD'S and mine are totally new and never used (don't know where YOU bought your F50.....). Its not my size but they look nice and...its just belongs to the car (not the driver).

Oh, ...the shoe bag is not really for the F50 shoes anyway as you will wear them when driving. No, that bag is broader in distance than the main bag and helpful as you can put anything perfectly in it...like a pair of socks, underpants and a shirt...about all to cross the US in 34 hours But since YOU are anyway not driving your F50 just let it SIT, I do understand that you do not care for it....compleately understandable ! Oh....did I tell you it has the Ferrai badge on it.....

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Well, thats the beauty of a collector item Anyway, Boxer you should not be that harsh regarding the shoes. What if my shoes came from Giselle BŁndchen....?! Anyway the shoes are from TOD'S and mine are totally new and never used (don't know where YOU bought your F50.....). Its not my size but they look nice and...its just belongs to the car (not the driver).

Oh, ...the shoe bag is not really for the F50 shoes anyway as you will wear them when driving. No, that bag is broader in distance than the main bag and helpful as you can put anything perfectly in it...like a pair of socks, underpants and a shirt...about all to cross the US in 34 hours But since YOU are anyway not driving your F50 just let it SIT, I do understand that you do not care for it....compleately understandable ! Oh....did I tell you it has the Ferrai badge on it.....
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That was not my intention.......sorry ! Let's see if we can find one for you as well

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That was not my intention.......sorry ! Let's see if we can find one for you as well
You are right though, did drive the F50 enough this past year.
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