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Engine Ice coolant?

I just stumbled across this stuff:

Engine Ice Hi-Performance Coolant - JEGS

they claim it will drop operating temp 10-15 degrees and unlike Evan's coolant it's water based so it will still boil at 240-250 to let you know if something has gone really wrong.

Has anyone here tried it in anything or heard any 1st hand reports?
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Wow, What will they come up with next?

Mark, by the time you get your car running, there should be plenty of feedback on this.

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Mark, by the time you get your car running, there should be plenty of feedback on this.
Don't be like that Chris
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Don't be like that Chris

Sorry Mark, its the coffee talking.

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I just stumbled across this stuff:

Engine Ice Hi-Performance Coolant - JEGS

they claim it will drop operating temp 10-15 degrees and unlike Evan's coolant it's water based so it will still boil at 240-250 to let you know if something has gone really wrong.

Has anyone here tried it in anything or heard any 1st hand reports?
Mark, as you're probably aware,it's just a propylene glycol based coolant mix (basically Evans with water and other additives), so I don't see any technical advantage in using it over a conventional TEG based coolant mix. They're bragging about temperature reductions, but you & I both know that marketing hype is one thing, while physics and heat transfer is the reality.

Here's the owner of the company giving a Q&A session on YouTube: Engine Ice FAQ - YouTube

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John- Affirmative, if there was something out there significantly better than ethylene glycol and water, high end manufacturers would be adopting it.

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Mark, as you're probably aware,it's just a propylene glycol based coolant mix (basically Evans with water and other additives), so I don't see any technical advantage in using it over a conventional TEG based coolant mix. They're bragging about temperature reductions, but you & I both know that marketing hype is one thing, while physics and heat transfer is the reality.
I had no idea what it was honestly, I just stumbled across it and didn't really did any deeper. I knew it was water based and assumed it was about 80%-90% water which should give about a 10 degree improvement was compared to a more standard 50/50 mix.
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Yea, I had seen it awhile back when I was looking for a "magic heat transfer fluid", and although it sounded too good to be true, I decided to invest/waste 30 minutes researching it anyway. It was indeed a wasted 30 minutes, so now you don't have to.

BTW, there is some promising research being done in heat transfer fluids using nanoparticles. It's still lab stuff, but they're achieving higher specific heat numbers than water.

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funny I just had a recent thread about the addition of redlines water wetter to my DD over on the other side.

as we know water is the best available fluid for specific energy absorption which if I recall correctly is due to the hydrogen bond, also why it's surface tension is a problem in cooling systems.

given what we know, the more surface ares the better the thermal transfer. the radiators are improving greatly, but there hasn't been much in the way of increasing the internal surface area of the engine block. wonder how difficult it would be to add in a matrix of cooling fins to the block volume.

of course its' a balancing act though with further thought. the water has to take on enough energy from the engine within a similar time frame it takes to remove it from the water once the thermostat opens. if the radiator is more efficient then the water delta is large enough to cause swings in the engine temp, not efficient enough and the temps will climb to high. std. design stuff. there is a problem with too cold.

sooo Mark, you done the thermal calcs on the new motor to the 308's cooling system..
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sooo Mark, you done the thermal calcs on the new motor to the 308's cooling system..
No need....I scrapped the 308 cooling system years ago and the current system had been WELL tested to 600hp with no hit of an issue so what's another 200 hp?
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Of course for the track one should use straight water with at most an anti-corrosion additive.

That doesn't have anything to do with the car running well... it's for the benefit of the others using the track in case someone spills coolant.
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