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post #1 of 38 Old 10-22-2012, 11:40 AM Thread Starter
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308/360 transplant !!

I've been talking about this for a while now My plan is to see if I can graft a 360 motor ontop a 308 gearbox and then bang the whole lot in the back of my 308 . So it's going to be transverse and I don't want to cut damage any of the existing car/chassis . The idea is that I remove my existing drysump motor and keep it as a complete unit . Being able to reinstall it at any stage . So in order to do this I have been collecting some bits I didn't have . Ferraripilot has kindly been keeping all the bits with him as I find them . He had to move all my bit when he decided to move house Thanks John .
So finally John packaged up all the bits ( I'd even forgotten what I had bought ) and got them shipped off to me .
The packages arrived last Friday
So now I have the " africa housing " / clutch housing , so I can get the final possition of the block
Then a set of 355 TB's which I'm hoping to use and be able to get deck clearance ( the 360 plenum definately won't fit )
The pic's of the TB's are bolted to a spare 360 head . don't you just love the trumpets ??? Ferrari really do do things right ?
Lastly one of John's trick radiators also arrived
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post #2 of 38 Old 10-22-2012, 12:45 PM
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Dave, this is going to be a insane project!

I love insane projects! They are just insane! (Crazy Eddie style)
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You have been spending to much time with Mark

Look forward to it.
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I was thinking about this half of last night! Looking forward to following the thread.
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You have been spending to much time with Mark

Look forward to it.
Don't drag me into this.....Dave came up with this 360 transplant all buy himself!




.......I has trying to get him to try it with a 575 engine but Dave would have none it!




I can't wait to see it take shape!
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Hey that's my box! Glad you like the radiator!

Keep us posted on how you plan to overcome the oil pump malady with the 360 block!
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355 throttle body butterfly height

Great pic of the butterfly to head flange height,,,,.The 355 butterfly height is very similar to the distance that hayabusa itbs can be mounted on 308qv without deck interference..The curved air horns are very similar to zuki busa rubber horns.
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Great pic of the butterfly to head flange height,,,,.The 355 butterfly height is very similar to the distance that hayabusa itbs can be mounted on 308qv without deck interference..The curved air horns are very similar to zuki busa rubber horns.
That's interesting . I must go and have a look at luckydynes pic's .
The 360 block height is much shorter than a 308 . Which means it needs to be packed/spaced up to get the crank flywheel at the right height , to get the drop gears to work .
If we didn't have to space it up and made a new drop gear setup ( as per mk e ) Then we might be able to get the 360 plenum under the hood !!! It's complicated enough I'm not trying to add to it ??
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This is no problem Dave. Just fabricate a couple spacer plates. Done.
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This is no problem Dave. Just fabricate a couple spacer plates. Done.
Right....oh and find a place for the oil pump too.

Simple!



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Or make a 288GTO replica by stretching the chassis a bit and install the 360 engine AND gearbox.
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Way cool Dave!

A couple things I'll throw at ya!

I have the pump mount all worked out like the factory dry sump setup if you want to try and mount a pump in the sump. You'll just need to add another section for the actual pressure section but the plumbing is not trivial!

I have all the numbers off the mounting flanges between the gearbox and engine from a Chevy swap project I started ... if you need those for your adapter let me know.

Very cool project ... like many of them over here!

cheers all!

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Sean those flange height numbers would be very useful . I'll pm you my address

Thanks Dave

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Neither do I
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Here are some pic's of the 360 flywheel in the clutch housing . I'm either going to have to make a flex plate to locate the 308 ring gear or an adapter bolted on where the 360 gear bolts on . All depends whether I can uses the 60-2 timing ring on the back of the flywheel ??
The clutch housing I have has the positioning for the timing pick ups . Why 3 ? What are the chances the indexing will be correct ?
I think the 360 has two pick ups for the two computers ? I only need one I think ?
My other option is to do an mk e and use the 360 ring gear and force fit the starter closer towards the flywheel . Not sure there is clearance against the block ??
Just realised the 360 flywheel is cast
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There are 3 picks because:

1 - cyl 1-4 timing reads the 2 pins on th eback of the flywheel
2 - cyl 5-8 timing reads the same 2 pins, but 90 degrees later
3 - rpm, reads the flywheel teeth

The 360 flywheel should be a 36-1 and that looks like what I see in the pick.....it might line up with 1 of the pickup over the teeth? It doesn't matter on most ECUs where exactly it's timed, that is a number you type in during set-up.

The problem will be the starter.....the solution is probably to just use the 308 flywheel which I'm pretty sure is the same bolt pattern. I've added pins to CIS flywheels to turn the 2 pattern into a 36-1....the extra pins miss all the existing hols almost like they planned it that way, a 60-2 on the other hand can not be done.
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Wow Dave, you got a project going on here! I bought a 355 motor a couple years ago and started the same thing your doing but sold the motor for other projects. Depending on if you go with the Bosch system or another type EFI DIS system determines if you just use the 60-2 and cam pick up or all the input sensors.
I'm sure you have someone there with a waterjet or cnc mill. I have the dxf cad file for that rear 308 gasket that goes between the block and clutch housing, if you want it I will email it to you then you can have someone with a CO2 laser cut a template out of thin wood and go from there in changing the file. Good for you!
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There are 3 picks because:

1 - cyl 1-4 timing reads the 2 pins on th eback of the flywheel
2 - cyl 5-8 timing reads the same 2 pins, but 90 degrees later
3 - rpm, reads the flywheel teeth

The 360 flywheel should be a 36-1 and that looks like what I see in the pick.....it might line up with 1 of the pickup over the teeth? It doesn't matter on most ECUs where exactly it's timed, that is a number you type in during set-up.

The problem will be the starter.....the solution is probably to just use the 308 flywheel which I'm pretty sure is the same bolt pattern. I've added pins to CIS flywheels to turn the 2 pattern into a 36-1....the extra pins miss all the existing hols almost like they planned it that way, a 60-2 on the other hand can not be done.
When I count it's 60-2 ( 58 teeth , if that's what it means ) Reason I want to try and use the 360 flywheel is the pressure plate ? I have a serviceable unit and thought I could change the clutch plate center to the 308 spline ?
Now here's a question .Is there anyway of working out what pressuer it take to realise the 360 clutch ? As in will our linkage manage or will it be to stiff ?
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