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Is it foolish to NOT ceramic coat my new manifolds?

1997 F 355, 16,750 miles, cracked LH manifold.

I ordered a set of Nouvalari manifolds, and after a recent engine-out and unexpected repairs (radiator etc...), well, I am in a cash crunch.

I was thinking of ceramic coating the headers, but then decided to just ship them (when they are done) straight to the dealership to have them put on. The coating was a $1000 job, so I said no. I will be buying the heat shields though, for about $100.

Question: Is it foolish to NOT get these suckers ceramic coated? Will the heat shields do the job?

Logic: since the heat problem cracked OEM manifolds, and the Nouvalari manifolds are of much higher quality, do I really NEED to ceramic coat these? Wouldn't that just channel MORE heat into my cats, and shortening their life?

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Why is it a thousand dollar job, cant that be done for a few hundred, or for some mystical reason does it cost more because they are ferrari headers?
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I have always purchased Fabspeed headers for 348,355, 360 and 430 with heat shields for the altenator and AC compressor. I also coat them and it only cost $475.
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I've never known anyone to say they wished they hadn't coated their headers.

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I was going to say 400 or 500 , surely not 1000 . This is something i always get a kick out of . I own a dealer/repair for foreign cars. no not ferrari ,the small town where i'm from there are only a few , so we could never make a living that way , but everyone here wants to drive foreign but are always shocked by repair costs , so i have alot of experience with keeping costs down.. I understand in other areas , owners with deep pockets only want the best and spare no expense , and good for them , but i struggle to understand when i read threads and see numbers for repairs and parts thrown out there that just aren't realistic. sure parts are expensive for a ferrari , but ceramic coating for headers is just not vehicle specific , why $1000 ? owning the shop , my perspective is unique , , but if you don't fall into the category of deep pockets or do it yourselfer , , ask questions before assuming that ceramic coating is a grand just because that is what someone told you , Ive had that done for customers and have spent a third of that number , the process is the same ford or ferrari , and the cost should be the same !
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I was going to say 400 or 500 , surely not 1000 . This is something i always get a kick out of . I own a dealer/repair for foreign cars. no not ferrari ,the small town where i'm from there are only a few , so we could never make a living that way , but everyone here wants to drive foreign but are always shocked by repair costs , so i have alot of experience with keeping costs down.. I understand in other areas , owners with deep pockets only want the best and spare no expense , and good for them , but i struggle to understand when i read threads and see numbers for repairs and parts thrown out there that just aren't realistic. sure parts are expensive for a ferrari , but ceramic coating for headers is just not vehicle specific , why $1000 ? owning the shop , my perspective is unique , , but if you don't fall into the category of deep pockets or do it yourselfer , , ask questions before assuming that ceramic coating is a grand just because that is what someone told you , Ive had that done for customers and have spent a third of that number , the process is the same ford or ferrari , and the cost should be the same !
The quote was just under 1000. Nouvalari says they use a separate company to do the coating and I thought it was exorbitant. ...and that I could skip it altogether or just have it done locally for half or less. The question is. ..will heat shields do the job or do I need to get these ceramic coated? I am concerned about melting or damaging components close to the manifolds....such as hoses or even cylinders!
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If it was mine , i would get them coated, but i would not spend more than four or , at the most five hundred, possibly send them out yourself . Research it on the internet for options
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If it was mine , i would get them coated, but i would not spend more than four or , at the most five hundred, possibly send them out yourself . Research it on the internet for options
Ya know, I think I'm just going to have them sent out. Anyone know someone on the forum who will do it for a reasonable price?
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Ya know, I think I'm just going to have them sent out. Anyone know someone on the forum who will do it for a reasonable price?
Give Carl Benton @ PolyDyn a call: Coated headers and exhaust

He & his company were one of the first to do ceramic & polymer coatings, and did a lot of the early experimental coatings work for NASA back in the 70's and 80's. Carl's a hotrodder at heart and won't fleece you for this work.

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I think the question that is ask by many members in this situati
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I've heard other members ask this type of question, and almost always the answer turns out to be "is it worth buying them now and coating them or, a few years down the road they crack again and having to fork out the money for another pair of headers?"

If you own a Ferrari you'd be don't the car wrong by not getting what's best for it. Would heat shields work? Yes. But wouldn't you feel 100% better knowing there coated?
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I've heard other members ask this type of question, and almost always the answer turns out to be "is it worth buying them now and coating them or, a few years down the road they crack again and having to fork out the money for another pair of headers?"

If you own a Ferrari you'd be don't the car wrong by not getting what's best for it. Would heat shields work? Yes. But wouldn't you feel 100% better knowing there coated?
Good point, I agree with your logic. BUT, given that these manifolds are made with thicker steel than Ferrari OEM, isn't that a reason to not have to worry about cracking anymore? There is also a lifetime warranty on them... I am now shifting my concern to the radiant heat affecting the engine bay, (and cats) as opposed to the heat damaging the manifolds themselves.

The reason I am so interested in this question is:
1. My car has already been off the road for almost a month....and it will likely be 3 weeks more before I can drive the car again....and I just bought it 3.5 months ago. Coating will probably add another couple of weeks with shipping and labor time.
2. After shelling out big bucks for a few trips to Ferrari, I am temporarily beyond my budget...and this would certainly add more time and money to this excruciating wait to get her back on the road again.

So here is another question:

Would coating the manifolds just channel more heat down to the cats, and all of a sudden, now I have blown or fried cats, adding more repairs in a short time? I figured that it would, but I am still learning about my car.

I am assuming next it will be the cats, then valve guides....I just hope I get some time with the car before disaster happens again, which has been the case so far.

By the time I get the new manifolds in, I will be 17k into repairs, and have had the car.....such a short time.
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Is it foolish to NOT ceramic coat my new manifolds?

Have you looked in your area for a reputable independant shop? If the cost of repairs is an issue, and from what youve posted , it obviously is , if it were me i wouldnt be going to the dealer, find a smaller shop where your money will go farther, just sayin. The dealer , although qualified , is like a young blond bimbo, and your the old oil tycoon, she just wants to get into your wallet , and shes using those DD boobs to do it. Find a good indy shop. By those DD boobs i mean the pastries in the lounge, the nice leather chairs , the " free " latte, etc. i dont mean to offend the guys with deep pockets than don't flinch at the dealer bill, but for 321 , your money will go alot farther at an indy

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Give Carl Benton @ PolyDyn a call: Coated headers and exhaust

He & his company were one of the first to do ceramic & polymer coatings, and did a lot of the early experimental coatings work for NASA back in the 70's and 80's. Carl's a hotrodder at heart and won't fleece you for this work.
Thanks, I called and their prices were good ,but I was hoping for a quicker turnaround time, which is 2 weeks or so. I am trying to find someone locally, just so I can drop them off and have them maybe in a few days. Having a hard time but am going to continue the search right now.
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Someone who promises to have a set of headers done in a couple of days is:

1. Not very busy, and you should wonder why

2. May not do a very good job of preparation & coating

3. Lying

4. Possibly all the above

There are only 5-10 well known facilities around the country that do this type of specialised coating work, and they all stay busy.

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jet hot is in the $400 to $500 price range
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We use an outfit in Upstate NY that does superb work...Between prep time and normal work load, turnaround is typically a month or more. A few months downtime on a F355 is nothing, particularly if you're still in the "sorting it out" stage.

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I think the prominent thing to do is buy the headers, save your money and get them coated. It will be longer till she's back on the road but in the long run.....better. Besides, heat shields don't look at pretty!
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I think the prominent thing to do is buy the headers, save your money and get them coated. It will be longer till she's back on the road but in the long run.....better. Besides, heat shields don't look at pretty!
I guess you are right...so looks like I prob will be off the road for another month unfortunately.
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I guess you are right...so looks like I prob will be off the road for another month unfortunately.
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