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Springs + Spacers + Guides

Oil pans going back on today.

When I pulled the motor oil pan off, I didn't have a dipstick guide; I bought one.

I just gave it a dry fitting and it doesn't fit in the union between the sump and the dipstick. Is it the wrong piece or just doesn't require one cause my car is an early car that doesn't have one...?

I took the tranny sump cover off: 1) I only had two ball/springs and 2) the spacer that is supposed to come out does not come out. There is not a third spring/ball in the stuck spacer and I've been hitting the spacer for 5 days with PB Blaster and its not budging. Tried pulling it off. Tapping it with a rubber mallet. Nothing. Does that thing come off?

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Could the missing spring/ball have any affect on this --> http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/308...iftuation.html

I think I know the answer, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

In closing--
Does the motor oil sump plug and tranny sump plug share the same washer?

Merci beaucoup!

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The aluminum spacer may just be bound in there. There could (prob is) a spring and ball behind it.

It won't hurt anything to center punch the spacer and drill a hole in it. Then run a wood or sheet metal screw into the hole to give you something to grab it with and lever it out with a pair of diagonal wire cutters


On the shift quality question. I suppose it is possible.

As far as the splash tube is concerned it only has one application so you don't have the wrong one. Unless possibly it is a reproduction and they got it a little wrong.

Two possibilities come to mind.

One is, the tube is a very close fit to the ID of the fitting. If it is slightly oval it wont fit.

The other possibility I can think of is that it is the wrong fitting. It is not terribly unusual. If the ID is too small drill it out slightly.



Sealing washers the same until the 328 sump with the horizontal oriented plug.
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The aluminum spacer may just be bound in there. There could (prob is) a spring and ball behind it.

It won't hurt anything to center punch the spacer and drill a hole in it. Then run a wood or sheet metal screw into the hole to give you something to grab it with and lever it out with a pair of diagonal wire cutters.
The spacer is hollow.
I can see thru it, into the transmission (or whatever is directly above it).
There is no ball and spring!!


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As far as the splash tube is concerned it only has one application so you don't have the wrong one. Unless possibly it is a reproduction and they got it a little wrong.

Two possibilities come to mind.

One is, the tube is a very close fit to the ID of the fitting. If it is slightly oval it wont fit.

The other possibility I can think of is that it is the wrong fitting. It is not terribly unusual. If the ID is too small drill it out slightly.
I checked what the ID of the union is supposed to be and it matches the union I have.
The OD of the tube is different from the one that was sent to me.

We are going to chalk it up to 'the wrong part'.
Hopefully, they can source the correct one for me.

Thanks fro your help.

The spacer is a complete mystery to me: doesn't come out, no spring or ball above it, and now I discovered its supposed to be a solid piece!!
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The spacer is hollow.
I can see thru it, into the transmission (or whatever is directly above it).
There is no ball and spring!!




I checked what the ID of the union is supposed to be and it matches the union I have.
The OD of the tube is different from the one that was sent to me.

We are going to chalk it up to 'the wrong part'.
Hopefully, they can source the correct one for me.

Thanks fro your help.

The spacer is a complete mystery to me: doesn't come out, no spring or ball above it, and now I discovered its supposed to be a solid piece!!

There are 3 holes. One in the picture still has the spacer in it. It is solid aluminum. If you remove that aluminum spacer another spring and ball should be above it


What you are incorrectly referring to as a spacer is not. It is the hole a spring and ball go up into.


Do you own a shop manual or are you just doing this from internet information?


Who are you purchasing your parts from?
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There are 3 holes. One in the picture still has the spacer in it. It is solid aluminum. If you remove that aluminum spacer another spring and ball should be above it


What you are incorrectly referring to as a spacer is not. It is the hole a spring and ball go up into.


Do you own a shop manual or are you just doing this from internet information?


Who are you purchasing your parts from?
So--
This entire time, the part that is stuck is the solid mass, filling the hole all the way to the right (in the picture I took)?!??

EFF!

I have a shop manual.
I'm using Internet intel as my source of information.
Ordered the tube from GT.
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This is what it should look like....with each hole having a ball and spring in it. The ball always rests against the shaft. The biggest hole has the slug that you refer to as :stuck."
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So--
This entire time, the part that is stuck is the solid mass, filling the hole all the way to the right (in the picture I took)?!??

EFF!

I have a shop manual.
I'm using Internet intel as my source of information.
Ordered the tube from GT.




You should really use better sources for parts and information..
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You should really use better sources for parts and information..
That tube doesn't exist anywhere.
I was surprised they had it.

If someone can give me the dimensions of it, I will have 100 made for everyone who needs/wants one.
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There are 3 holes. One in the picture still has the spacer in it. It is solid aluminum. If you remove that aluminum spacer another spring and ball should be above it

What you are incorrectly referring to as a spacer is not. It is the hole a spring and ball go up into.
This was when the 'a-ha moment' happened.
I was so focused on - what I thought was - the 'spaced', sticking out (red arrow).
A knock on the actual spacer (blue arrow) solved all my problems.
I am an idiot...

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You should really use better sources for parts and information..
To suggest that the internet forums are not the best place to gather information would be saying that your advices are futile. As proven by YOU, this is not true since you were able to identify where I - the dumb monkey with the hammer - was wrong.

So--
Thank you sire.
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After a quick flight to Phoenix, and a visit with the good folks at GT, we figured out that my union came off a 206/246.
This is happening a lot since my GT4 is an 'early model'.

So--
My dipstick tube did not fit cause the union from the older Dinos has a narrower ID (see pic)
The union on the left is the correct part.
The union on the right is what was on my car (which did not have a tube when I took it apart): you can see the extra 'lip' on the inside.

All systems are a go.
We are moving ahead with operation "put car back together".

Cheers.
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This was when the 'a-ha moment' happened.
I was so focused on - what I thought was - the 'spaced', sticking out (red arrow).
A knock on the actual spacer (blue arrow) solved all my problems.
I am an idiot...



To suggest that the internet forums are not the best place to gather information would be saying that your advices are futile. As proven by YOU, this is not true since you were able to identify where I - the dumb monkey with the hammer - was wrong.

So--
Thank you sire.



Shop manuals are always the first best source. The internet has a signal to noise ratio that insures a majority are led astray.


Many of the internet sites I peruse are for entertainment value. And entertain they do.
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