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post #1 of 12 Old 06-25-2013, 05:34 PM Thread Starter
 
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Sunroof

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A dilemma.

Found 2 GT4's I like.

One has a perfect tan interior, which I prefer, but no sunroof.

The other has a nice black interior and a sunroof. It also
has some 80's type speakers in the rear arm rests, meaning holes.

How difficult do you think it would be to replicate the factory sunroof on
a non-sunroof GT4?

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post #2 of 12 Old 06-25-2013, 05:46 PM
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With the current and future value of the GT4 it just wouldn't be worth it. It would be expensive.

Look around for a body shop that has done sunroof conversions and get a price range. I suspect it will not be cheap and remember, not likely any OE parts will be available to ease the process.


Nothing on the car is inexpensive for that matter. It's really a great car but the price difference of an average GT4 and the best GT4 in the world isn't enough to cover much. More than most Ferrari's a GT4 is a case of you cannot afford not to buy the best there is.

Be patient, find a really great one you like and get it.

Like I said, great cars but a project car will not pencil out.

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With the current and future value of the GT4 it just wouldn't be worth it. It would be expensive.

Look around for a body shop that has done sunroof conversions and get a price range. I suspect it will not be cheap and remember, not likely any OE parts will be available to ease the process.


Nothing on the car is inexpensive for that matter. It's really a great car but the price difference of an average GT4 and the best GT4 in the world isn't enough to cover much. More than most Ferrari's a GT4 is a case of you cannot afford not to buy the best there is.

Be patient, find a really great one you like and get it.

Like I said, great cars but a project car will not pencil out.

Agree on the points made.

I had a super nice one. Sold it when we moved to Europe.
Regretted it ever since.

Finding a sunroof one in Europe is practically impossible,
unless you want a right hand drive.

Hence the dilemma. The non-sunroof one is a little nicer,
but the sunroof is a super rarity.

It might be simpler to just buy both and change the interior.
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Finding a sunroof one in Europe is practically impossible,
unless you want a right hand drive.

It might be simpler to just buy both and change the interior.
That is true, almost impossible.

However, instead of buy both, wouldn't be cheaper to ask a specialist to make new interior in the color you desire?

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That is true, almost impossible.

However, instead of buy both, wouldn't be cheaper to ask a specialist to make new interior in the color you desire?

A new interior will cost 50%+ of the cars value.


Again, I really like GT4s but it is easy to get way way too far upside down in them.

Makes the perfect cars a very good value.
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That is true, almost impossible.

However, instead of buy both, wouldn't be cheaper to ask a specialist to make new interior in the color you desire?

I have yet to see something as good as the original. Not saying it's not possible, I just haven't seen it. Most that I've seen don't fit perfectly, the door pockets are not ribbed, etc.

Re: the sunroof - I know it's possible or at least it was.
See the gray Alfa Berlina as an example (this is aftermarket)

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If you are trying to make money on a 'flip', don't buy this car.
If you are trying to enjoy it for many years to come, it's up to you to determine what is more important: a super-duper rare sunroof, or an interior that can be - and probably will be - replaced.

IMO, the sunroof is the buy.
Installing an aftermarket sunroof could lead to problems and/or lead to more money spent cause its a 40 year old car, and who knows what happens when you chop the roof open.
An OEM sunroof is hard to find.
Replacing interior - at some point - is not.

My 2 cents (which is usually worth about a half-penny).

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A new interior will cost 50%+ of the cars value.


Again, I really like GT4s but it is easy to get way way too far upside down in them.

Makes the perfect cars a very good value.
I don't discuss the fact that as an investiment it is not worthwhile.
But here it seems that phylotic is pretty in love with the car and he suggested the idea of buying two Gt4 and "switch" the interior and, I imagine, sell the car without sunroof. Which, I imagine, will lose part of its value for the non-original interior.
I don't know how much is gt4 value in phylotic's country but in Italy is around 25k.
I must admit that I have no idea but to remove the old leather and put the new one could cost more than 10k? :-O
If phytolic is interested I can email my upholsterer and ask...

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My comments have zero to do with investment potential.

In the long run it is far cheaper to get the car that you want, even if you over pay than to buy the car that you don't want and make it into the car that you do.

People who have a very specific car in mind most often make the same mistake. They focus only on cars advertised for sale and get impatient with the offerings and buy what they can find.

A. Brokers know about a lot of cars available that never make it on the radar screen.
B. A lot of really good cars that are not for sale are available if the price is right.
I had 2 clients, one with a 288 and one with an F50 in recent times sell their cars because a big check convinced them they were not going to keep their cars for life.



Go to events, Ferrari shows and meets and find the car you like. Make the guy an offer.

Even if you pay 10g's over market price it will be less money in the end.


In the US sunroof GT4's were not that uncommon. I looked for a long time for a car without to make into a track car and couldn't find one.
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Brian I totally agree with you, I was just saying that between the two alternatives (buy two gt4 and switch interior vs make new interior) maybe the latter is less expensive.

However, if I am not wrong, the sunroof was made specifically for the US market, that's why it's plenty over there and why in Europe it is almost impossible (maybe a car with us specs) to find one.

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Brian I totally agree with you, I was just saying that between the two alternatives (buy two gt4 and switch interior vs make new interior) maybe the latter is less expensive.

However, if I am not wrong, the sunroof was made specifically for the US market, that's why it's plenty over there and why in Europe it is almost impossible (maybe a car with us specs) to find one.

Original sunroof cars are mostly US and UK models.
Finding an euro model could take decades. I've seen some
really nice UK models but RHD feels pretty funny,
although it's better for the track.

As far as switching interiors - seats come out readily,
carpet is the same color so it can stay, the most difficult part would
be the door panels. Guess I'm talking myself in this direction.

You'd end up with two cars in non-original interior colors,
but I think I've seen less than 1% of sales having the certificate of originality from Ferrari Classiche, so it's not a biggie.

If I'd bribe anyone would be the guy that bought mine,
but so far he's not as foolish as I was
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Sunroof joy

I love my sunroof. It adds a new dimension to what's already a great drive.
Sadly not many have them, as it was a 437 optional extra in 1979.
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