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275 GTS Goodwood Auction Tempting....

This 275 GTS is coming up at Goodwood Festival of Speed Auction:

Bonhams 1793 : Ferrari Classiche certified and from long term ownership,1965 Ferrari 275GTS Spyder Chassis no. 07293 Engine no. 07293

Thoughts?

and yes, it is tempting.....
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Do it! I doubt you'll regret it.

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It will be interesting to find out about the final price achieved. DK seems to ask 725' for its RHD 275 GTS (according to Gus) which I think is ridic.......! This car has all books, tools (although not original) and the certification. Nice combination.
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Boxer- I always like the 275 GTs and think it was one of the prettiest Ferraris built. Much rarer than the GTB and same chassis as the early GTBs. I think you would love the car and she is a Spider, so you can enjoy the open air driving experience while listening to that glorious SOHC V12.

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It is tempting and I need to get a lot more information on the car before I would be comfortable putting in a bid.

I do think they are stunning.
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one of the few models where the gts is less valuable than the coupe? i have seen several in the flesh and for me-underwhelmed. Can't really say why, but i much prefer the coupe. which is, again, unusual for me. i usually prefer the open top.



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Eons ago had a conversation with Bodin about 275 vs 330. Yes, we all agree that the 330 GTS is prettier with its longer nose. Bob's point was that the 330 engine just does respond as nicely as a 275/traditional Columbo.

275GTS = a real nice car that in the bigger scheme is underappreciated.

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It's a stunner!

Tough part is figuring out it's worth and I certainly have insufficient knowledge but if I were guessing it seems very high.

I am not positive but - there was one at STL Motors about a year ago. It was being serviced / storage and the owner passed. The dealer picked it up under 500 and had it listed for 675k.

There is a member who was bidding on the car when it was being sold out of the estate.

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It's a stunner!

Tough part is figuring out it's worth and I certainly have insufficient knowledge but if I were guessing it seems very high.

I am not positive but - there was one at STL Motors about a year ago. It was being serviced / storage and the owner passed. The dealer picked it up under 500 and had it listed for 675k.

There is a member who was bidding on the car when it was being sold out of the estate.

I will look for a picture and post.
That one eventually was sold at auction about 1 or 1 1/2 years ago. Rosso Corsa.

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Jeff- We are nowhere near all agreed the 330 with its longer nose is better looking. I think the nose of the 275 GTS is way more attractive than the 330 GTS' nose. It has unique and very pretty front styling not shared with the contemporary coupe.

Based on that alone, I prefer the 275 GTS. The 275 and 330 engines are both Colombo types, so no difference there. The 330 engine has more hp and torque because it is larger, and the 330 drivetrain with its torque tube is clearly superior. I would still take the 275.

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Jeff- We are nowhere near all agreed the 330 with its longer nose is better looking. I think the nose of the 275 GTS is way more attractive than the 330 GTS' nose. It has unique and very pretty front styling not shared with the contemporary coupe.

Based on that alone, I prefer the 275 GTS. The 275 and 330 engines are both Colombo types, so no difference there. The 330 engine has more hp and torque because it is larger, and the 330 drivetrain with its torque tube is clearly superior. I would still take the 275.
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That one eventually was sold at auction about 1 or 1 1/2 years ago. Rosso Corsa.

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I posted pictures of it in the spotters thread - but refuse to sift in all the crud we write.

By any chance do you know what it sold at - I know it wasn't a show car but it was a solid 8.5 - IMO.

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one of the few models where the gts is less valuable than the coupe? i have seen several in the flesh and for me-underwhelmed. Can't really say why, but i much prefer the coupe. which is, again, unusual for me. i usually prefer the open top.
Have to admit I am perplexed by this. Given the much lower production numbers, open top etc I would think the value ratio would be more similar to the Daytona/Daytona Spider.
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my thoughts exactly. i think it is just the physical presence of the car. When i'm standing next to a 275 coupe i am usually in awe. not so the gts for some reason.



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Bonhams is sending more information on the car today.
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If I were shopping in this market, Boxer, I would get a 250 Pf Cabrio. Prices are not much higher and because of the close relationship, also in looks, with the Califronia spider I really think that car will rise in value much quicker than others.

As for 275 prices, I think it is both the looks and the racing history that ensures the appeal for the Berlinetta. Although I love the GTS, I don't think it is quite as stunning as most other 60ies Ferraris.

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I always preferred the looks of the 275 GTS to the GTB, so tastes vary. Have only recently come to appreciate the 275 GTB's looks. Except for the GTB/Cs, of course, especially those with the rear gills. Always liked those.

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If I were shopping in this market, Boxer, I would get a 250 Pf Cabrio. Prices are not much higher and because of the close relationship, also in looks, with the Califronia spider I really think that car will rise in value much quicker than others.

As for 275 prices, I think it is both the looks and the racing history that ensures the appeal for the Berlinetta. Although I love the GTS, I don't think it is quite as stunning as most other 60ies Ferraris.

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Mechanically, how different are the 275 GTBs from the GTS?
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Boxer- The early GTBs and the GTS are nearly identical. Four wheel IRS, rear transaxle and open drive shaft vs the torque tube that became the Ferrari standard and was introduced on later GTBs. Gearing is slightly more relaxed in the GTS with a 3.33 rear end vs the 3.56 of the GTB. Transmission ratios are the same. The engine in the GTS is in a slightly milder state of tune with 260 hp vs the 280 hp for the GTB, due to a milder cam and resultant lower redline (7000 vs 7600 rpm). The GTS engine is safe to 7600 rpm, but the cam means it is not making more hp, so why bother? Some owners have put 6 carb induction and hotter cams in the cars. None came from the factory that way from what I have read. Same wheel and tire choices, but most GTS cars were delivered with the wire wheels.

I believe the GTS was built by Pininfarina and the GTB by Scaglietti (need to check), so build quality of the spider was superior, sort of like the GTC/4 vs the GTB/4.

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