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post #1 of 44 Old 12-16-2009, 05:03 PM Thread Starter
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Dinosaur needs help

OK you modern car guys, this dinosaur needs some help in identifying a vehicle. Check out the photo below and please let me know if the red Ferrari following me at the Ferrari Club National Meet track day at Road America is a 360 or a 430.

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OK you modern car guys, this dinosaur needs some help in identifying a vehicle. Check out the photo below and please let me know if the red Ferrari following me at the Ferrari Club National Meet track day at Road America is a 360 or a 430.

Thanks,

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That is a 430. The headlights are longer and narrower, the air scoops are angled more, and the rear fender scoops are bigger than on a 360.
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Thanks Barry,

Ron had suggested that it was a 430. What I know for certain is that it really filled my rear view mirror.

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Thanks Barry,

Ron had suggested that it was a 430. What I know for certain is that it really filled my rear view mirror.

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The 360 and 430 are actually as wide as a Testarossa! My 355 seems skinny compared to my 360, especially when I pull them in the garage! Your car is even smaller, and looks like a blast to drive.

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It is a real blast to drive. The motor is a very healthy 2 liter 4 banger putting out 172 horsies at 7000 RPM. The dry weight of the car is 1584 pounds. The multi-plate clutch is basically either in or out. The five speed transaxle is all dog clutch engagement, no synchromesh. Left hand shifting isn't a problem as that hand never had to learn a shift pattern before. The period correct tires are hard and skinny, the track was wet and I had a ball!!!!

So you see, dinosaurs can have fun too.

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It is a real blast to drive. The motor is a very healthy 2 liter 4 banger putting out 172 horsies at 7000 RPM. The dry weight of the car is 1584 pounds. The multi-plate clutch is basically either in or out. The five speed transaxle is all dog clutch engagement, no synchromesh. Left hand shifting isn't a problem as that hand never had to learn a shift pattern before. The period correct tires are hard and skinny, the track was wet and I had a ball!!!!

So you see, dinosaurs can have fun too.

Best regards,

Robert

About half the weight and half the horses of the modern cars! Tires seem
a bit scary, but hey, driving sideways is FUN!

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A 430 on a bad line out of the turn...

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That is a 430. The headlights are longer and narrower, the air scoops are angled more, and the rear fender scoops are bigger than on a 360.
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+1 definitely a 430.
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The lights are the give away, the 360 would be more to the front, meaning they'd go across the front more, these go towards the back.

It's awesome to see the old and new, especially when your head is sticking out so much, really illustrates the vast difference.
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What a wonderful photo...the old and the new....with the old leading the way up the hill as it should be. Nothing like the sound of that 4 cylinder pulling hard!!!

Having been a small part of the last National at RA back in the 80's I really wanted to return there for this one but was too busy. RA was my home track back in my MN days and my all time favorite nation wide.
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It's awesome to see the old and new, especially when your head is sticking out so much, really illustrates the vast difference.
And the size comparison between the two Ferraris and the Accord(?) parked in the infield...

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OK you modern car guys, this dinosaur needs some help in identifying a vehicle. Check out the photo below and please let me know if the red Ferrari following me at the Ferrari Club National Meet track day at Road America is a 360 or a 430.

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Your line through the corner is much better
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...red Ferrari following me...
Wow - missed the 'following me' detail! Fantastic stuff!!


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It's awesome to see the old and new, especially when your head is sticking out so much, really illustrates the vast difference.

Andrew, two things contribute to that look. First, I am 6 foot 1 inch, second, the helmets of today are far bigger than the ones I used in the sixties. Perhaps I should get the helmet painted a different color other than the stark white.



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Your line through the corner is much better

I had never driven the Road America course before. After a half dozen corners I noticed that right at my apex there would be a small red cone. Apparently on the day before, they had drivers training and left the little red cones in place at the right apex for each corner. Once I figured that out, the course became much easier to negotiate more quickly. In the rush to get to Pebble Beach in 08 one area I did not have time to address was the brake shoes. I have strong memories of racing in the sixties with brakes that paid no attention to you when cold, but improved some when hot. The linings are still the original from 1955, and yes, when cold they still ignore you. The result is that I must start to brake long before the 430's of the modern world even start to think about it, even if I have a lot less mass to slow.



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Nothing like the sound of that 4 cylinder pulling hard!!!

Dave, I could not agree more!

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What a privilege to hear about a long term owner's experience of driving this magnificent Ferrari in anger on the track. Awesome! Thank you. Please post more pics and stories.
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It is a real blast to drive. The motor is a very healthy 2 liter 4 banger putting out 172 horsies at 7000 RPM. The dry weight of the car is 1584 pounds. The multi-plate clutch is basically either in or out. The five speed transaxle is all dog clutch engagement, no synchromesh. Left hand shifting isn't a problem as that hand never had to learn a shift pattern before. The period correct tires are hard and skinny, the track was wet and I had a ball!!!!

So you see, dinosaurs can have fun too.

Best regards,

Robert
Your car is absolutely stunning, Robert...you really should bring it to Switzerland to enjoy some passes driving...you'd love it. Seeing your car yesterday on this photographs I was motivated again to reread your old "Cavallino" articles on the 2nd series Mondial's. Many thanks for sharing !
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Your car is absolutely stunning, Robert...you really should bring it to Switzerland to enjoy some passes driving...you'd love it. Seeing your car yesterday on this photographs I was motivated again to reread your old "Cavallino" articles on the 2nd series Mondial's. Many thanks for sharing !
The idea of driving the Swiss Alps is certainly appealing but I am afraid that it will not be. Regarding Cavallino articles, please see the cover and 14 page story in issue #171.

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Admiral, I always enjoy photos and reading anything about your Mondial, too. I know the history and have enjoyed it. I was really looking forward to seeing the car in person at a car show this Fall, but hopefully you'll bring it to one of the early Spring events next year. I'm hoping for a day where I can get a photo of my car next to it.

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Admiral:

Can you describe, some of the driving experience in terms of when tracking your Mondial?

I mean, how responsive is the throttle to needed power out of a curve. The braking, albeit drums, is when needed. Sway? What is the max power and speed you have reached, and do you throttle back or such becuase it is too/very old?

Are there concerns?

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The idea of driving the Swiss Alps is certainly appealing but I am afraid that it will not be. Regarding Cavallino articles, please see the cover and 14 page story in issue #171.

Best regards,

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Yes, I've read #171, fantastic. Regarding Swiss alps I'm sure Marcel Massini would be glad to assist
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