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View Poll Results: Are you interested in replacing your F430 metal brakes with ceramic brakes?
Yes! That sounds cool. 16 44.44%
No, I am happy with the metal brakes. 7 19.44%
No, its too expensive. 8 22.22%
No, I don't trust anyone to mess with perfection. 1 2.78%
No, I will never take advantage of ceramic brakes on the track. 4 11.11%
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post #41 of 51 Old 02-19-2014, 11:01 AM
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There is quite a lengthy bedding in process that you have to complete to get the best performance out of CCM's. Its been posted before (official document) and in involves a large number of stops from increasingly high speeds to bed them in properly. Takes a long time but well worth it, overwise they 'glaze' over and never feel that great.
After city use it's worth while picking up some good speed and fiercely brake that speed off again.

Original pads fry during heavy use, be aware! Not something you'd expect from expensive CCM brakes but that is what will happen and you will lose way more than half of the braking capacity from one pull to the other. It has happened to me even going uphill in my 430.

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Can you fit the ZR1 kit in the 360 18" rims or need to go to the 19" 430 rims.
Racing F360 Challenge need more breaking ability!
I have an engineering shop so can make Bells if required.
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post #43 of 51 Old 07-24-2014, 07:51 PM
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The 380 mm CCM brakes will not fit inside 18" wheels and the 398 mm brakes barely fit, and I mean barely, fit inside the CS/F430 wheels. One reason the Scud/16M wheels are 8" in front. The Vette fronts are 394 mm, IIRC.

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Thanks terry,
Good work by all you guys on this.
My only other question is do the ZR1 Callipers mount to the same bolt holes the 430 Callipers bolt to? Or can you only use the CCM discs and have to source the 430 Callipers?
If so I will look for a ZR1 package and get the 430 Challenge racing rims.
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Mick- What folks have done is use the Corvette friction rings with the original Ferrari/Brembo hats.

Best solution is to swap the Brembo rotors and pads for Mov'It ceramic rotors and pads. Expensive, but you will never wear out those rotors and they feel like steel to me. 396 mm Mov'It CERs on mine and 362 mm rears coming. They make replacement rotors and pads for most of the Ferrari rotor sizes, 398 mm, 380 mm, 350 mm, and not sure if the 362s coming for mine will replace the Brembo rear 360s on 575M HGTCs.

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Question is do we have to use the Ferrari Calipers. If so to get a 360 converted this is a huge expense.
I have the Movit pricing it is

COMPLETE Ceramic kit:
380x40 6piston
$12,497 incl GST and delivery

REAR: 362x28mm at $12,341 incl GST and delivery

If you get front and rear combined, there would be also a package discount which would apply.
$23,992 incl GST and delivery

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Replacement brake discs (rotor + hat)

FA 380x34mm
RA 350x34mm

If both are purchased together: $14,899 incl GST and delivery.


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Just the discs/ rotors without hats:

FA 380x34mm
RA 350x34mm

If both are purchased together: $12,776 incl GST and delivery.
This is $AUD.

So it is OK if you already have the 430 Callipers but bad news if you have to buy the lot.

They look like they use an adaptor to bolt the Movit calliper on Brembo have a adaptor also, so I am wondering if the ZR1 callipers will do the same and use both rotors and Callipers.
Hats we can make or find.
Has anyone messed with the corvette callipers(Brembo)?
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How much are the 430 Centrelock hubs in the states?
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As much as I love my CER brakes on the CS, when I am at the track I find myself not braking as hard and as late as I do in other cars, primarily because I see $8K/corner discs in my future.

The MOVIT option would definitely help my stress level! I spoke with them about distributing, as it seems like a great, quality product.

Having said all that, for regular use on the street, the best part of CER bakes is clean wheels and no dust.

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A lot of good information being shared here, thanks

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Can you fit the ZR1 kit in the 360 18" rims or need to go to the 19" 430 rims.
Racing F360 Challenge need more breaking ability!
I have an engineering shop so can make Bells if required.
I know this is an old post but was wondering if you can still make hats for a set of scuderia ccm’s. I have a full set that I’m trying to install on my 360. Let me know either way.
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I do not know if the price cost outweighs the benefits. I would not think so.

We've been offering steel brake kits for Challenge cars (AP rotors + Ferrodo pads = $5500.00) and a lot of drivers have been swapping their CCM to the steel brake kits. Yes, the CCM are much lighter, but you do not really see the difference in performance.

We've also had some customers or exotic car rental which purchased 458's/488's and upon purchase, they swapped their CCM to steel, and when re-selling the car, put the CCM back on. Works like a charm!

At the end of the day, it all depends on what the owner want to do, but if someone does want to spend $13 to 17K or more just for the sake of having CCM's, my two sense... you may want to find better ways to spend your money. but that's me...

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