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View Poll Results: Are you interested in replacing your F430 metal brakes with ceramic brakes?
Yes! That sounds cool. 16 44.44%
No, I am happy with the metal brakes. 7 19.44%
No, its too expensive. 8 22.22%
No, I don't trust anyone to mess with perfection. 1 2.78%
No, I will never take advantage of ceramic brakes on the track. 4 11.11%
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post #21 of 51 Old 07-03-2012, 03:30 AM
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All I can say... WOW!!
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I will have the CCM kit installed today!

1 short question, does it run on the 'old' steel discs ABS ecu software?
After install I need to bring it from my installer to a Ferrari dealer 25miles down the road for programming, will this be possible?
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No issues with ABS if you have to drive only 25 miles BUT be very careful as your new brakes will not yet be bedded in, you'll have nearly no braking capacity !!!
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Stef- Affirmative. With new ceramics, it at first feels like the brakes have gone out until you use really heavy pressure. That goes away pretty quickly in only the first 100 miles or so of driving.

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There is quite a lengthy bedding in process that you have to complete to get the best performance out of CCM's. Its been posted before (official document) and in involves a large number of stops from increasingly high speeds to bed them in properly. Takes a long time but well worth it, overwise they 'glaze' over and never feel that great.

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The Corvette ZR1 CCM is 394mm and removing the old center bell / hat and replacing it with your old one DOES IN FACT WORK fine.

Ofcourse you will loose pub bragging rights about having the largest ccm's which are 398mm but in the real world this fact is irrelevant. The 4mm loss of diameter [2mm per side] makes as good as no difference whatsoever. In fact the ZR1 pads sweep the exactly same pad area [they both share the same identical pad pagid part no.].

The main point is you must ensure you re-use your old bells to ensure compatibility.
I understand the ZR1 has the same pad area, but if you switch the hats and put these discs on the Scud, will the brake pad still be centered on the rotor without any additional modification or will it be hanging off a bit on the outside edge?
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2 mm=.079", so, no, it will not be a problem. The OEM pads do not reach all the way to the edge of the 398 mm rotors.

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2 mm=.079", so, no, it will not be a problem. The OEM pads do not reach all the way to the edge of the 398 mm rotors.
Have you seen this done or pictures of this conversion. I tried to find pictures of this but it feels almost like a myth...

In my scud the (PAGID RS19) pads reach all the way to the edge. Cant see how a smaller diameter disc should work...

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Have you seen this done or pictures of this conversion. I tried to find pictures of this but it feels almost like a myth...

In my scud the (PAGID RS19) pads reach all the way to the edge. Cant see how a smaller diameter disc should work...
That is partly why I asked about it. I heard someone else saying it is not really a solution because the pads are not centered on the disk. So would be good to get some proof somehow that it can work.

Have not gotten feedback from anyone who has actually done it, just people say it can be done--which can create an expensive problem if they are wrong!!
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Guess it will take $1200 to find out. That is how much front rotors cost from an online discounter.

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Guess it will take $1200 to find out. That is how much front rotors cost from an online discounter.
Why not try to find a used rotor and see if it works, that shouldn't be too expensive...

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I guess sooner or later someone will see the sticker shock of new Scud rotors and give it a shot.
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I had the factory CCM brake kit fitted to my F430 last month. Very happy with the result. I already have the carbon race seats and 4 point harnesses so, for me, it completes the car.
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I had the factory CCM brake kit fitted to my F430...for me, it completes the car.

Shields, wheels, and lose the steels.
A winning combo, I have to agree with you.

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Tim- Those look great and, since they are 380 mm vs 398 mm for the Scud, easily fit under the pretty OEM wheels.

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Tim- Those look great ...

Well thank you.

I must confess I deliberated for 3 years before finally having them fitted. I have a 2005 year F430 so the cost of the install was a large proportion of the residual value of the car (some may say disproportionate). Worth every penny to me though.
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Tim- I have $20K worth of Mov'It CERs on mine (at least half a set so far, rears have not been delivered yet), so I agree. It is not about the money. Just about having the best brakes possible.

Did you have the dealer reset the chip in the instrument panel for CCM brakes? Selectable steel/CCM on F430s and early 612s and 599s.

Yours and mine look very similar.
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Did you have the dealer reset the chip in the instrument panel for CCM brakes? Selectable steel/CCM on F430s and early 612s and 599s.

Yes there was a software modification (proxy file) installed for the brake ECU. This enables the CCM brake wear algorithm and adjusts the ABS programing.


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Tim- I had the shop that painted the calipers put the decals on before she was clear-coated.
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Terry, you have one of the best brakes system, great stuff! The yellow is so intoxicating
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Charles- The Mov'Its are a much better brake than the Brembo CCMs, but they are expensive. Except for pad changes, though, they will never wear out.

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