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Which headers for my F430 Spider?

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I am considering aftermarket headers for my F430 Spider (2008 with original manifolds already replaced by newer Ferrari Factory manifolds) so that I will stop worrying about the dreaded Ferrari fault. I have decided to keep the stock Ferrari exhaust to save the expense, and because I like the look of the factory tips and I like the stock sound. My question is, which header brand should I go with? I have priced out Capristo's which are supposedly the best (?) but with the associated price to go with it, Fabspeed which are cheaper (where are they made?), and Kline Innovation which are cheaper still.
Does anyone have experience with either of these headers (brands) or perhaps others I should consider? Any tips?
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Hello All,
I am considering aftermarket headers for my F430 Spider (2008 with original manifolds already replaced by newer Ferrari Factory manifolds) so that I will stop worrying about the dreaded Ferrari fault. I have decided to keep the stock Ferrari exhaust to save the expense, and because I like the look of the factory tips and I like the stock sound. My question is, which header brand should I go with? I have priced out Capristo's which are supposedly the best (?) but with the associated price to go with it, Fabspeed which are cheaper (where are they made?), and Kline Innovation which are cheaper still.
Does anyone have experience with either of these headers (brands) or perhaps others I should consider? Any tips?
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Capristo or Tubi would be my only choices. Keep in mind that when you remove the factory headers, which have pre-cats, you are likely going to have issues with CELs pertaining to cat efficiency errors.

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I went with Tubi's on my Spider. Matched with the stock factory racing or "sport" exhaust, they are a bit louder. But I am used to them now and they do sound incredible. Had a CEL a couple / three times in the first month. Was going to have the ECUs reprogrammed, but haven't had a CEL in 6 months.

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Tubi's? Someone told me that Tubi's doesn't make headers for the F430, I guess that's not true then. If they reprogram the ECU can they get rid of the CEL?
I am kind of leaning toward Capristo cause it's 4:2:1 supposedly offers better low-mid range performance than the others 4:1 (AP, Fabspeed, IPE), and I am assuming Tubi's are 4:1 as well anyway.


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Sorry, I have a 360. Should have said so up front. Not sure if Tubi makes a 430 set.

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I never heard of Tubi making headers for the F430 but I may have missed that. I would recommend Capristo too for the headers because they are 4:2:1 just as the stock headers are. I have mine on since 7 years and they are really reliable. Only their spring loaded exhaust brackets are not so good in my opinion and I did remove them since they started to create issues (broken cat bracket and broken cylinder stud).
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I never heard of Tubi making headers for the F430 but I may have missed that. I would recommend Capristo too for the headers because they are 4:2:1 just as the stock headers are. I have mine on since 7 years and they are really reliable. Only their spring loaded exhaust brackets are not so good in my opinion and I did remove them since they started to create issues (broken cat bracket and broken cylinder stud).
Perhaps not for the 430, I apologize for the confusion. To restate my answer; my preference for headers is either Tubi or Capristo. It's not that Fabspeed doesn't make a decent product for the price, they do. The problem with Fabspeed is that their customer support leaves a lot to be desired, when problems arise. I have had two product-related issues with them and both have been incredibly frustrating to resolve.

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I never heard of Tubi making headers for the F430 but I may have missed that.
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Interesting, and in Inconel too! The local shop I have been communicating with told me that they don't offer headers so perhaps they are not aware. These look wrapped in the same way as the factory manifolds so I am wondering if they include pre-cats as well? I'll have to find out.


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You were very right David, interesting to discover and good news that Tubi Style offers also a solution which seem to be very well made.
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StefVan - your comment about removing the Capristo brackets surprised me. Have you posted your experience? I'm on my second set of brackets. On the first set the adhesive that attaches the non-metallic washer to the back of the bracket let loose and the washer fell away. That left metal to metal contact which was causing a rattle. My impression is that isn't the first time this has happened to a Capristo bracket. Hope this isn't derailing this thread.

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Hello All,
I am considering aftermarket headers for my F430 Spider (2008 with original manifolds already replaced by newer Ferrari Factory manifolds) so that I will stop worrying about the dreaded Ferrari fault. I have decided to keep the stock Ferrari exhaust to save the expense, and because I like the look of the factory tips and I like the stock sound. My question is, which header brand should I go with? I have priced out Capristo's which are supposedly the best (?) but with the associated price to go with it, Fabspeed which are cheaper (where are they made?), and Kline Innovation which are cheaper still.
Does anyone have experience with either of these headers (brands) or perhaps others I should consider? Any tips?
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Hello Clyde,
how are you?

I would like to be able to sell you one of my headers .... but at the moment i have only project design ready but not the piece..
I have also designed a sport muffler with tips and valves.

Do you have big hurry?

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Hello Clyde,

how are you?



I would like to be able to sell you one of my headers .... but at the moment i have only project design ready but not the piece..

I have also designed a sport muffler with tips and valves.



Do you have big hurry?



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Dear Fabio,

I am not in any rush. In fact on research I found out that my manifolds were replaced with new Ferrari factory manifolds last year, so I expect them to be in good condition for a while without any worries.

On a sad note I want to tell you that I lost my father overnight on Monday. I actually thought of you because I remembered what your told me about how great you felt your loss after your father passed. I feel the same, and especially now that both parents are gone. Though I know that everyone must endure this, it doesn't make it any easier. I am now in mourning period so actually my car's exhaust is really not a concern of mine at this time. Looking forward to better events and times in the future.
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Dear Fabio,

I am not in any rush. In fact on research I found out that my manifolds were replaced with new Ferrari factory manifolds last year, so I expect them to be in good condition for a while without any worries.

On a sad note I want to tell you that I lost my father overnight on Monday. I actually thought of you because I remembered what your told me about how great you felt your loss after your father passed. I feel the same, and especially now that both parents are gone. Though I know that everyone must endure this, it doesn't make it any easier. I am now in mourning period so actually my car's exhaust is really not a concern of mine at this time. Looking forward to better events and times in the future.
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i'm very sorry for the loss of your father ....
I give you the my condolences, also if they help noything, as i provued on my skin.
I understand perfeclty how do you feel ....
Yes Clyde sometimes, also now after three years, i feel myself disoriented, i hade difficult to go to the chimitery, if i often pass with the car near the chimitery for go to work and from distance i see the picture of my father ....
Often i think to the last words that he told me, they was for my little Linda .....
During lasts three years i spent more more money for my exhaust projects, it was a way for use his shop and tools and a way to remain near his ....
The place where i feel more near him is his shop, where we worked together a lot ....
I not want give you my problems, you already have yours ....

I'm near you...

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Clyde,

i'm very sorry for the loss of your father ....

I give you the my condolences, also if they help noything, as i provued on my skin.

I understand perfeclty how do you feel ....

Yes Clyde sometimes, also now after three years, i feel myself disoriented, i hade difficult to go to the chimitery, if i often pass with the car near the chimitery for go to work and from distance i see the picture of my father ....

Often i think to the last words that he told me, they was for my little Linda .....

During lasts three years i spent more more money for my exhaust projects, it was a way for use his shop and tools and a way to remain near his ....

The place where i feel more near him is his shop, where we worked together a lot ....

I not want give you my problems, you already have yours ....



I'm near you...



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Dear Fabio

Thank you for your kind condolences for my father. As with your case my father was someone whom I loved and respected so much, and who provided not only for myself and my siblings, but for our entire family. In fact the company I now earn my living at was originally started by my father. He will be sorely missed.

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StefVan - your comment about removing the Capristo brackets surprised me. Have you posted your experience? I'm on my second set of brackets. On the first set the adhesive that attaches the non-metallic washer to the back of the bracket let loose and the washer fell away. That left metal to metal contact which was causing a rattle. My impression is that isn't the first time this has happened to a Capristo bracket. Hope this isn't derailing this thread.
Hi Rich, you're right, I didn't write about this. At the end, I found that these spring loaded brackets created a lot more vibrations on the exhaust pipes since they are secured on the cross-member and not the engine itself. At end, it created the opposite effect compared to the stock brackets, because these spring loaded brackets allow too much movements on the exhaust which caused the rupture of the catalyzer link bracket as well as one the cylinder exhaust studs.

I went partially back to the stock setup because I believe that the part which is supporting the muffler, which is spring loaded, does a good job. When hot, this horizontal spring moves towards the rear about 1cm which is perfect. Of course, I didn't install back the stock brackets on the gearbox which is the real issue as it holding too strongly the catalyzers. I used the car that way since a while, with only the muffler support parts, and didn't have any issues since. I'm still thinking of adding some solution to support also the catalyzers while allowing them to expand freely.
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So what's the consensus then, is it good to use the Capristo spring loaded brackets or to use the stock factory brackets?


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Hope I'm not hijacking this thread. I agree that the brackets add vibration on the exhaust pipes and at least on my car the vibration adds noise that wasn't there previously. Would you know if the OEM muffler support bracket is part number 212691?

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Clyde, I let you judge whats best for you. All I'm saying is that the Capristo brackets didn't work out on my car, just sharing my experience.

Rich, part #212691 is part of the assembly, the bow itself is #195803, as shown in the picture below:

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This bow does a good job allowing the exhaust to expand towards the rear
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Impossible to get these brackets aligned correctly. The springs were never straight but forcing towards the outside. Did remove and mount back the entire exhaust many times trying to get them aligned, mission impossible. On track, exhaust pipes were hitting the bumper sometimes, no good.
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This resulted eventually in a broken bracket, it was time to totally remove the Capristo brackets and go back stock, at least partially. Since then, no issues anymore.
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Clyde, I let you judge whats best for you. All I'm saying is that the Capristo brackets didn't work out on my car, just sharing my experience.



Rich, part #212691 is part of the assembly, the bow itself is #195803, as shown in the picture below:



Muffler support bow alone without brackets installed on the gearbox

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This bow does a good job allowing the exhaust to expand towards the rear

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Impossible to get these brackets aligned correctly. The springs were never straight but forcing towards the outside. Did remove and mount back the entire exhaust many times trying to get them aligned, mission impossible. On track, exhaust pipes were hitting the bumper sometimes, no good.

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This resulted eventually in a broken bracket, it was time to totally remove the Capristo brackets and go back stock, at least partially. Since then, no issues anymore.

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Interesting, thanks for the benefit of your experience Stef, I'll guide myself accordingly.
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