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Should I trade my 2002 575M for a 2006 F430?

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I own a 2002 Argento Nurburgring Ferrari 575M Maranello with the F1 transmission and 37000 miles on the odometer (59000 kms). I have the opportunity to trade it in for a 2006 Argento Nurburgring Ferrari F430 with manual tranny and 22,000 kms (13600 miles) on the odometer. Admittedly, they are completely different cars, however, my reasoning for the consideration is that I would get a newer Ferrari with less mileage and a manual which I would prefer. At the same time, some have told me that its not a wise move as the 575 will shortly be worth more than the F430's (production numbers, 2000 vs 15000 cars made, and the fact that its a V12 vs a V8 may be the reasons). What are your views? Here are the 2 cars:
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P.S. The interior photo of my 575 is from before I installed longer Carbonio Carbon Fibre paddles which are much nicer and better for shifting.
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I have not the slightest idea which car would be the best long term investment. However, it certainly sounds to me that you would get more pleasure driving the 430 with MT. The sensation and connection driving the MT is invaluable to me (F360 MT). What does the little guy inside you say, and go with that! Best wishes...
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I think you'll be happier if you keep all 12 cylinders....
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Hey, I think that a manual gated shift V12 will maintain its value well and appreciate over time.
I don't know the exact ins and outs, but some purists believe that the 550 is more desirable than the 575.
Here is one in your area 1999 Ferrari 550 at $124996 for sale in Vaughan - Ferrari Of Ontario
Then again you may just want a change and going with a manual 430 will be fun.
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I have not the slightest idea which car would be the best long term investment. However, it certainly sounds to me that you would get more pleasure driving the 430 with MT. The sensation and connection driving the MT is invaluable to me (F360 MT). What does the little guy inside you say, and go with that! Best wishes...
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Thanks for your advice Don. I think I should focus on which car I would enjoy more rather than which is a better investment longer term is what you are trying to say, not the first person to tell me this, and I think its the correct approach.
Yes, I would enjoy driving a manual classic metal gated Ferrari shift more, however I would have to give up the classic front engine V12 Ferrari to do it, so its a tough call. Also, the Maranello (575) is supposedly a more comfortable car than the F430, though I've read its also quite comfortable for a mid-engine machine.
I am going to have a look at the F430 this Thursday, sit in it, and think about it. Unfortunately since is the middle of winter here, I won't be able to drive it (or my 575 which is presently in storage) until the Spring. So I have time to decide, no panic.
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I think you'll be happier if you keep all 12 cylinders....
The V12 is a keeper, though I wish I could have both! Am I greedy?
I am going to run some numbers and see if its possible. Anyway I have time to decide as its the depths of winter here now, I doubt the car (F430) is going to sell so quickly in this weather.
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Hey, I think that a manual gated shift V12 will maintain its value well and appreciate over time.
I don't know the exact ins and outs, but some purists believe that the 550 is more desirable than the 575.
Here is one in your area 1999 Ferrari 550 at $124996 for sale in Vaughan - Ferrari Of Ontario
Then again you may just want a change and going with a manual 430 will be fun.
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Yes, many purists believe the 550 is the more desirable car because of the manual, but otherwise, the 575 is really a step up and monsters the 550 (don't take my word for it, read Evo UK's assessment) and its got more power. The 575 is also the better looking of the two cars in my opinion, with a nicer interior, but that's my personal preference.
Yes I know that Ferrari Ontario is offering that 550 (funny, you are the 2nd person to tell me about it), but I believe they are asking way too much for that car, and anyway, I think going from a 575 to a 550 is a downgrade (but again, that's personal taste).
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The V12 is a keeper, though I wish I could have both! Am I greedy?
I am going to run some numbers and see if its possible. Anyway I have time to decide as its the depths of winter here now, I doubt the car (F430) is going to sell so quickly in this weather.
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Clyde,
If you can both cars, the best ......
For example, for me the cylinders number is important .... I would trade my V12 for what? .... perhaps for a Scud .... but now with my exhaust for nothing !!
Next years, if i can permit, a Scud why not ....
I drive every day a CLS 350 V6, i like Maserati SQ4 but if i could change car today in front of the V6 maserati and of the V8 of CLS 500 .... i need to think well ..... V8 is better that V6 ...
Is my thinking, not the best, but mine.....

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Fabio,
Yes, to trade a V12 for a V8 doesn't seem right, despite the age difference of the two cars. If I had your exhaust I surely would not even be considering a trade (if I lived in Italy with the roads there it would be even better). Also, yours is a GTC version, which is also better. My 575 is without either the FHP or GTC.
Scuds are very expensive now, and because of their rarity I don't think they will depreciate much further. They are at a different level than other F430's (perhaps like the 575 SuperAmerica is compared to the regular 575).
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P.S. In the case of Mercedes vs Maserati, I am different, I would definitely go for the Maserati, even though it may not be as reliable as the Mercedes. I just love Maseratis as I do Ferraris (actually all Italian cars).
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Clyde, having driven both, I would never trade my Spider for a 550 or a 575.
However, that is not to say I suggest you trade.
Each car is a unique and different driving experience.
I say get the one that "speaks" to you.


As for future value, I say the person that can predict the values of these cars in 5 years can also tell you where the stock market will be.

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Clyde, having driven both, I would never trade my Spider for a 550 or a 575.
However, that is not to say I suggest you trade.
Each car is a unique and different driving experience.
I say get the one that "speaks" to you.


As for future value, I say the person that can predict the values of these cars in 5 years can also tell you where the stock market will be.

Thanks for your advice. I think you're right about predicting future value, it's all guesswork. Having said that someone else here recommended I drive an F430 before deciding, which makes sense to me. These are completely different cars, like you said, and though you've enjoyed your Spider, I may not enjoy the drive in an F430 as I do the 575 (or I might). It's important to be sure. I don't want to trade something I am happy with to get something newer but which I might not be happy with.

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As Ive recommended in your other post Clyde, go test drive a F430 before jumping....you've got an itch, go scratch it....

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As Ive recommended in your other post Clyde, go test drive a F430 before jumping....you've got an itch, go scratch it....

Yes I do plan to do that before making any final decision, but in order to do that I have to wait until the Spring. It was -19C today in Toronto after the snow storm, so its not quite Ferrari driving weather.
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Should I trade my 2002 575M for a 2006 F430?

It is if you owned a FF....

We have very good friends in Toronto & looking at their photos emailed to us today it looks like spring is still a long, long way off for you guys....

Enjoy your F430 drive once winters passed, something for you to look forward to!

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Should I trade my 2002 575M for a 2006 F430?

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It is if you owned a FF....

We have very good friends in Toronto & looking at their photos emailed to us today it looks like spring is still a long, long way off for you guys....

Enjoy your F430 drive once winters passed, something for you to look forward to!

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Indeed Peter,
Spring is still a long way off for us Canadians. Its part of the joy of living here that your anticipation of Spring builds to a crescendo and you cherish the good weather when it arrives perhaps more than you would otherwise.
At this time I have decided to keep my 575 and only get the F430 if i can swing a deal to add it to my garage though. I think that would be the best scenario for me and the best of both worlds (classic Ferrari V12 plus modern Ferrari mid-engine V8 in the garage). Looking forward to test driving the F430 this coming Spring (when it finally arrives).
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I vote for the 430. Love the color and it's a manual.

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Brian- You will never guess what they said in the V12 thread. There were about the same number of 3 pedal F430s (~1500-2000) as there were F1 575Ms (exactly 1818).

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Brian- You will never guess what they said in the V12 thread. There were about the same number of 3 pedal F430s (~1500-2000) as there were F1 575Ms (exactly 1818).
You mean that's not true?
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Clyde- What is not true?

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..........I say the person that can predict the values of these cars in 5 years can also tell you where the stock market will be.
...........ah, but I can, David, I can!

in five years the stock market will be at the corner of Wall and Broad Streets NYC

as for car values, not so much

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