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markjayw 01-28-2015 10:57 AM

2009 Scuderia Transmission noise
 
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Bought a 2009 Scuderia coupe from a friend I unfortunately trusted. When I drove the car home from Seattle, I could hear a little gearbox whine when you apply the throttle lightly. If you let off the throttle, no whine. Almost like a slight whistle noise.

The car was lowered by Ferrari of Seattle, and it has the BBS FI wheels, and you could always hear a little tire rubbing here and there, so last fall, I had Ron Tonkin service the car, replace the gearbox fluid, and raise the car up a bit to get rid of the tire noise / rubbing.

After getting the car back, it now has severe transmission noise when you completely let off the throttle. This only happens again when you are off the throttle and slowing down. If you are on full throttle, there is no noise at all. The car has no problems at all shifting under full throttle, and you still get the quick shift over 5-6k.

Any ideas on what might be happening? Best case is a rear tire toe in issue, and there is rubbing going on after the alignment, worse case is a bearing going out someone in the gearbox or rear end.

Car has 10,700 miles, 2009.

Thanks

tazandjan 01-28-2015 11:49 AM

Mark- You sure it is not a half axle CV joint making the noise? Any tears in any of the CV boots? No noise under torque and noise on coast could be several things, most not as expensive as a transaxle bearing or geartrain issue.

StefVan 01-28-2015 01:30 PM

Sorry Mark to hear that. From what you described, it makes me thinking that your TO bearing is maybe toasted. Have a look to this thread where I posted a video with the noise of a complete failing TO bearing: http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/mo...hlight=bearing

Hope it's not that bad though...

markjayw 01-28-2015 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by StefVan (Post 559066)
Sorry Mark to hear that. From what you described, it makes me thinking that your TO bearing is maybe toasted. Have a look to this thread where I posted a video with the noise of a complete failing TO bearing: http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/mo...hlight=bearing

Hope it's not that bad though...



Doesn't sound like that. I sounds like something is rubbing really bad at the rear when slowing down off the throttle completely. The sound / rubbing noise slows down as the car slows down, it's a rotational noise.

markjayw 01-28-2015 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tazandjan (Post 558930)
Mark- You sure it is not a half axle CV joint making the noise? Any tears in any of the CV boots? No noise under torque and noise on coast could be several things, most not as expensive as a transaxle bearing or geartrain issue.


Hopefully that's what it is. Still have not heard anything from RTGT.

ECSofVirginia 01-29-2015 06:24 AM

You're describing an excessively worn ring and pinion to me. Have the transaxle oil checked ASAP. If you've noticed the noise get that much worse that fast, I feel it imperative to just have it towed to your shop. Have them drain the oil, make sure it has the proper amount, visually check it for excessive metal decries and probably even send a sample out of lab testing. I like the testing for two reasons, one it will tell you the quality of the oil AND it will tell you what particulates are in the oil and at what levels, so you can determine if something is wearing excessively and what it is, with a good degree of accuracy.

tazandjan 01-29-2015 09:40 AM

Josh- Good to have the pro chime in. Isn't that unusual for a low mile Scuderia unless she has been running the wrong lubricant?

alwin 01-29-2015 01:00 PM

mark, i know what the problem is. you have too many cars in your sig / garage =D

on a more serious note, good luck w it and please keep us posted on what the root of the problem turns out to be.

oh, what color did you end up getting?

ECSofVirginia 01-30-2015 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tazandjan (Post 559634)
Josh- Good to have the pro chime in. Isn't that unusual for a low mile Scuderia unless she has been running the wrong lubricant?



It isn't a common problem for sure. Running a cheap oil, or running the level too low, or running the car very hard or even a manufacturing error, faulty bearings or improper set up from the factory, all pretty solid reasons for the ring and pinion to get eaten up. The fact that he's noticed it degrade so rapidly make me think the transaxle has very little oil in it.

uberschprung 01-30-2015 09:48 AM

Mark, Does the noise have a vibration?

markjayw 01-30-2015 10:41 AM

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It isn't a common problem for sure. Running a cheap oil, or running the level too low, or running the car very hard or even a manufacturing error, faulty bearings or improper set up from the factory, all pretty solid reasons for the ring and pinion to get eaten up. The fact that he's noticed it degrade so rapidly make me think the transaxle has very little oil in it.

Very strange, especially after a service from Tonkin. Think there is more to this than meets the eye. :cry3:

Scottish16M 01-31-2015 05:15 PM

Your Scud is trying to tell you to go above 30mph in 6th, go on try it, I don't think you'll crash, but I can't promise as Im not there to teach you how to drive properly!!! :shakeass:

champagne612 02-02-2015 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottish16M (Post 561666)
Your Scud is trying to tell you to go above 30mph in 6th, go on try it, I don't think you'll crash, but I can't promise as Im not there to teach you how to drive properly!!! :shakeass:

I will take 100.00 of that action :steeringwheel:

Kidding of course - Mark can do 32 with no problem:stirthepot:

Scottish16M 02-02-2015 08:36 PM

2009 Scuderia Transmission noise
 
Doug, Mark told me in Monaco he'd never driven any faster than 7mph & that was only because the road was straight... :stirthepot:

markjayw 02-03-2015 10:30 AM

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Doug, Mark told me in Monaco he'd never driven any faster than 7mph & that was only because the road was straight... :stirthepot:

I only drive that slow on the way to the Lamborghini Factory. :thumbsup:

Scottish16M 02-03-2015 12:05 PM

You never drove to any of the 3 Factories, albeit I might have slowed down to that speed when the Italian Plod pulled us over & we shared the 40 fine between us all, great memory from a terrific trip & week :grin:

champagne612 02-03-2015 12:23 PM

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You never drove to any of the 3 Factories, albeit I might have slowed down to that speed when the Italian Male Blonde pulled on us & we shared the €40 fee between us all, great memory from a terrific trip & week :grin:

Wow!

You posted that on the internet :crowngrin:

Scottish16M 02-03-2015 01:18 PM

2009 Scuderia Transmission noise
 
Oh crap, the St Louis nutter has escaped the asylum again. So Doug, how many guards did you have to screw to get released this time, the usual 20 you fruitbat? :shakeass:

markjayw 02-23-2015 02:35 PM

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Typical Ferrari. As of right now, Ferrari North America wants me to buy a brand new gearbox, for the reasonable price of $42,000 plus installation!


They are checking on parts availability of a ring and pinion, if this is in fact what is going out. Any other ideas please let me know. Supposed to know about parts availability by March 9th.

ECSofVirginia 02-23-2015 03:08 PM

Sure, they make more money and incur less risk than if a dealer tech takes the time to open the box up and replace the ring and pinion. It's hard to say what it should cost over the keyboard, as I have no idea how many other components are damaged or worn from here. Just taking a stab at it, let's say you just need a new ring and pinion set and someone that takes the time to make sure everything is shimmed and pre-loaded correctly, a range of *4-15k is much more realistic, for a good overhaul.


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