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post #1 of 42 Old 01-21-2015, 01:59 PM Thread Starter
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08 scuderia new price

Dropped my price to 185K firm for my 08 Scud 5067 miles,Silver/Red leather in the classifieds.
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Dropped my price to 185K firm for my 08 Scud 5067 miles,Silver/Red leather in the classifieds.
Thanks for Looking. Kevin
Kevin, surprised that your gorgeous Scud is still looking for a new owner. Hope an appreciative buyer comes along soon.

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GLWS it's a very nice Scud.
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Thanks guys, Iam surprised too so maybe its telling me to keep it. I really dont think there is a scud out there with my miles,condition,color combo and options(308,189) for 185K.....I need to take better pics as silver does not show as good as it looks in person,red interior goes without saying,lol...
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Thanks guys, Iam surprised too so maybe its telling me to keep it. I really dont think there is a scud out there with my miles,condition,color combo and options(308,189) for 185K.....I need to take better pics as silver does not show as good as it looks in person,red interior goes without saying,lol...
Curious what you are looking at to take it's place.
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I have a loan on it so Iam looking to pay it off and buy a new Z07 Vette. OR maybe get a 599 HGTE.
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.....I need to take better pics as silver does not show as good as it looks in person,red interior goes without saying,lol...
Hello Kevin,

Where are your photos posted since I do not see them in this thread?

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Silver is a tougher sale. If you are seeking top dollar for a 2008 with those miles, it needs to be red.

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Silver is a tougher sale. If you are seeking top dollar for a 2008 with those miles, it needs to be red.
I know this is hotly debated but this is far from clear. Sure the demand is high for red however if you look at production numbers you will see the highest supply numbers, by far, are for red as well.

As such when someone wants a specific color that is non red car they are very diffucult to find. Those buyers come around less often..but when they come they don't have much choice..or any...Red is almost always easy to find..

Interestingly..for old 911 the rare colors are sometimes ultra expensive. ..but of course that is a little different dynamic. .
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Red doesn't bring top dollar, all red means is there are more, so more choice if reds your chosen color!

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Heh Pete,

I think you are getting too much Andalusian sun!!!!!!!!!!!

You should know better, all good Ferraris are red.

I'm on my 3rd Ferrari and guess what all red (beggars can't be choosers).

You're probably still down about that failed Scottish coup of yours.

Not surprised that you want to knock the Ferrari status quo.

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I know this is hotly debated but this is far from clear .
I'm not sure the issue is "hotly" debated, if so, I've missed it.
I would imagine the term "resale red" was coined for a reason.

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I'm not sure the issue is "hotly" debated, if so, I've missed it.
I would imagine the term "resale red" was coined for a reason.
Well we know a few things to be true:
1. There are those who pay a steep premium for a non standard color when ordering a car. Even though red is free.
2. Many of those buyers also collect.

Do you think those particular people are willing to pay more for a special order color when new but not when buying a collectable Ferrari? Granted they come along in less numbers as do their target vehicles.

It is a mathematical certainty that if more Red cars are produced new than more red cars will be resold than any other color. so yea..resale red...

Bottom line: you are going to have a hard time getting around the rules of supply and demand. If 5x people want red and there are 6x more red cars available price pressure is lower and vice versa. Unless you think the relative demand of red changes always in the direction of more people liking red in the aftermarket then when the car was released new for every model every year then it is way to broad to generalize that red is better for resale for every mode all the time.

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The Resale Red effect does not really apply to original owners, despite most actually being red. So the up charge for non-standard colors is not germane. Additionally, used buyers tend to want red, that is well known. And the Scud, while small in numbers produced, is far from collector status.

So I agree with Mark and think his statement is accurate.

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The Resale Red effect does not really apply to original owners, despite most actually being red. So the up charge for non-standard colors is not germane. Additionally, used buyers tend to want red, that is well known. And the Scud, while small in numbers produced, is far from collector status.

So I agree with Mark and think his statement is accurate.
So basically you are saying that the ratio of demanded red cars grows vs the supply of red cars as a function of the cars age or if it is being resold.

Or put another way if you survey a 1000 new Ferrari buyers "X" owners will opt for red. if you do the same survey again but for resale buyers then "Y" buyers will opt for red. Further: Y is always larger than "X".

Seems unrealistic that this could be true all the time..

Maybe red car drivers are really bad and crash them over time thus reducing the relative supply of red cars vs other colors?

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Red doesn't bring top dollar, all red means is there are more, so more choice if reds your chosen color!
Disagree. There are more red because it's more in demand. The don't call it "resale red" for nothing.

Unless you find that one buyer that wants a specific color, and is willing to pay a premium for it, but those are tough to find.

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Disagree. There are more red because it's more in demand. The don't call it "resale red" for nothing.

Unless you find that one buyer that wants a specific color, and is willing to pay a premium for it, but those are tough to find.

Sorry to disagree again Mark, Resale Red is chosen because its resale red & that's it period. Far too many new & existing Ferrari owners think of resale instead of being bold & ordering the car they actually want.....we have one life, its nice to see so many different coloured LaFa's being ordered, but those guys ain't necessarily thinking about resale & Ill bet the resale red ones are being ordered by speculators or investors!

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Should not be too much more complicated than supply and demand. If people "over speculate" on red then there will be too many for sale in the after market. Sometimes it happens sometimes it does not.

In October 2013 there was a Challenge Stradale selling (in the US) at a large premium specifically because it was Canna di Fucile. In the case of the CS and some of the rare modern cars there just not that many non-red cars available.

In the case of this CS I believe there was only one in the classic Canna di Fucile color. The car was at about 30K premium to equivalent red cars that were also listed at the time. Interestingly there were 4 red cars listed that were all not only cheaper but had the highly desirable factory stripe while the Canna di Fucile car was missing the stripe.

Closest red cars were:
RS, stripe with 7K miles less 3.1K for 1k USD more.
RS, stripe with same mileage 29K USD less
RS, stripe with 2k more miles 30K USDless
RS, stripe with 3K less miles 34K USD less

So much for resale red commanding a higher price when it comes to the CS.

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Ferrari is the only company that overall carries a "premium" for red for high volume runs.

The rare Ferrari's are most often not red and carry a greater premium.

Dealers don't spec Ferrari's so the fact there are so many red Ferrari's is simply because customers choose them - for resale in my opinion.

Ferrari is know in racing for Red - personally never (thin ice) owned a red road car.
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Doug, agreed but also I think a lot of dealers influence buys on colour. I cannot count how many times a dealer has said to me you should not go for X colour or Y colour on a vehicle because it will limit your resale value. Also, how many times have we read on a dealer add "this car is in the most desirable colour combination of Rosso Coursa/ Creama ( or the equiv in the US).......last time I checked I don't need a second hand car dealer to tell me what to think or desire!

It is true that one off colour cars are pitched in resale as unique and more desirable. Realistically its not a real value add but some people will be convinced, especially if they think that Fcar prices only go up!

I also think certain models work better in different colours too.....but it's always personal.
A very short list for me is...
308 GTB Rosso with tan/creama
430Scuderia Scuderia Red or Giallo
Maranello's TdF Blu/Tan of course
Testarossa..Rosso Corsa/
Daytona Giallo/
360/430 spiders Nero/
F40 Rosso
Etc

It's intersting looking at all the colours LaFa is being spec'ed in....definately not many Reds, and if they are they're none Rosso.

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