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post #1 of 62 Old 10-03-2014, 07:48 AM Thread Starter
 
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Best Tune for my Scud

Hello, I have a 2008 Scuderia. I just purchased an S-line and hope to get it next week or so. I plan to leave the rest of the car and exhaust stock.

I see the Zeus Flash is adaptive and hooks into the OBDII which I like. If I can avoid it, I would like to not have to remove and send in my ECU.

My question is, what is the best tune to get and is it worth it?

If this is already discussed elsewhere on this forum, please point me to the thread.

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Welcome to Ferrari Life. No clue on ECU flashes for Scuds, but somebody might know.

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I would not bother with an ECU flash after installing S-Line exhaust. My 16M put down at the wheels 445 hp after installing the S-Line exhaust. Stock is about 428 to 430 whp from the dyno's I have seen people post. The car will learn the new flow characteristics after a while. Best upgrade I have ever done, that exhaust is just fricken perfect.

I have heard some have had good success with Evomsit ECU flashes, but I would not do it. If you can ship the car to Evomsit, and also change out the headers to Capristo, then maybe, but I would want my car there at Evoms to make sure everything is tuned properly and before and after dyno's.

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Hi Taz. Thanks. I am excited to be here. Really like the car. Love the carbon fiber. Need more. Saw a CF rear view mirror, but can't see who sells them.
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Hell Mark.

Great information. You saved me a few grand.

I am so excited for the S-Line.

Other than more CF, I wasn't planning on doing anything else to the car. It's fun to drive.
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Capristo sells CF outside mirrors, I believe.

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CF outside mirrors? Where?
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Hi Taz. Thanks. I am excited to be here. Really like the car. Love the carbon fiber. Need more. Saw a CF rear view mirror, but can't see who sells them.
Welcome.

Suggest reading the 16M Scud modification thread - we have all done just about every mod possible.

CF door handles and gas door. Titanium oil and gas cap etc.

I bought the full Capristo and agree with Mark it needs the EVOM full service treatment which results in 60 hp without the EVOM Capristo adds 20 - 30hp great sound reduced weight and heat.

Would like to see the CF rear view mirror one member was thinking about making a batch for all of us here.
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Yeah. Thats was Trev. I want one too.

The s line x pupe reduces even more weight but the lack of valves got me sitting on the fence for months.
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I have the Zeus tune.

I did it in conjunction w upgrading the airbox, 4-1 headers, 100cel race cats and s-line x-pipe. As a package I can consistently outrun similarly fully tuned 458s anywhere. straights, twisties, track, anywhere, anytime.
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Hi Alwin.

Which air box? Gruppe M.

Do you have the Zeus ECU AND TCU tune?

I was going to do the BMC filters and S-Line exhaust.

What do you think about BMC filters, S-Line, Zeus tune?

I don't want the car too loud, so may hold off on the headers and 200 cats. Was thinking fabspeed or Capristo. Your thoughts?

If I was going to get headers, BMC filters, Zeus tune and S-Line, would it be super loud? Big HP gain?

If I wait to get headers, the tune will adjust after headers right?

As you can see, I don't know exactly what to do. I like the videos of the OEM cats and headers with s-line, so not sure what headers will do.

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Yep GruppeM.

Yep both ecu/tcu.

I think the BMC filters help but my main driver for going w the 5k gruppeM was to preserve the carbon fiber in the engine bay by helping reduce heat retention. The airbox comes w an integrated heat shield which deflects air rearwards away from the carbon and is a ram-type airbox. so, cooler air = more hp. more airflow = more hp.

W filters alone I did not feel any gains, but the sound of the exhaust was improved and you can hear the air suction...almost like turbos spooling.

yes, my car is loud but only when I punch it...normal driving it's about the same as w just s-line alone. I get canon-grade fireballs and pops on downshifts, something the s-line alone will not do.

I giggle like a school girl everytime I shift up or down

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Hi Alwin.

Which air box? Gruppe M.

Do you have the Zeus ECU AND TCU tune?

I was going to do the BMC filters and S-Line exhaust.

What do you think about BMC filters, S-Line, Zeus tune?

I don't want the car too loud, so may hold off on the headers and 200 cats. Was thinking fabspeed or Capristo. Your thoughts?

If I was going to get headers, BMC filters, Zeus tune and S-Line, would it be super loud? Big HP gain?

If I wait to get headers, the tune will adjust after headers right?

As you can see, I don't know exactly what to do. I like the videos of the OEM cats and headers with s-line, so not sure what headers will do.

Thanks

Jack
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Thanks Alwin.

I spoke to Lance and he was very helpful. He is looking into a GruppeM airbox for me.

I really like the zeus tune, but dont think I can calibarate it properly. No where to safely drive the car as needed to get the tune set up.

Going to go with stock manifolds and cats, S-Line and BMC filters. If I can get a reasonable price on the GruppeM, I will use that instead of stock airbox.

Love "canon-grade fireballs and pops on downshifts". Would love to see that. Very cool.

Thanks for all your help guys.
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Al. What happened to when you had test pipes on it without the zeus tune? Was the scud even drivable?
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Thanks Alwin.

I spoke to Lance and he was very helpful. He is looking into a GruppeM airbox for me.

I really like the zeus tune, but dont think I can calibarate it properly. No where to safely drive the car as needed to get the tune set up.

Going to go with stock manifolds and cats, S-Line and BMC filters. If I can get a reasonable price on the GruppeM, I will use that instead of stock airbox.

Love "canon-grade fireballs and pops on downshifts". Would love to see that. Very cool.

Thanks for all your help guys.
The S-Line pops and gurgles stock. No need to go with sport cats. All 430's will at some time have manifold problems, unless you upgrade to the Capristo exhaust mounts, as there is no flex in the current crappy stock mounts Ferrari provides. Capristo headers will solve this additionally and really give some midrange punch. I had these on my old black 2009 Scuderia, with an RSC exhaust. That car was wicked fast IMO. All I can do is give you my 2 cents, and you make your own decisions after that.

The car is already a 3.5 second to 60, and a mid to high 11 second 1/4 mile car. You can only drive it so fast on public roads, so any upgrades you add should be for longevity and sound. Anything else would just mean bragging rights to your friends which mean nothing.

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But the Capristo mounts do not work with the s line...am I right to say that?
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Best thing to do is get the car to a shop set up to do ECU optimization work. The "box tunes" are good from someone like EvomsIT and Eurocharged, but there is a lot left on the table and only time on a chassis dyno will yield a great result.


As indirect example, we have a 2005 Maserati 4200 Coupe that is track prepped and runs a completely catless exhaust and received a "box tune" from a trusted vendor. The car makes good power and runs strong, but on the dyno we found the tune ran the AFR too lean and the ECU pulls ignition timing in a few places. We flashed the ECU back to stock and the car gained 20whp/20wtq.


If you're buying from a reputable company, you pay the cost of the base file and just a few hundred extra for the dyno to custom tailor the software to your car and set up.


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Al. What happened to when you had test pipes on it without the zeus tune? Was the scud even drivable?
The sound wasn't as clean.

And no, if anyone heard my setup, they will know what a "pop" really sounds like

the stock s-line doesn't pop nor does it spit fire...I've had the s-line exhaust in my car longer than anyone except for the one other person who was willing to commit to the s-line project together with me from the beginning.
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Mine pops loud enough for me, and certainly my neighbors from their comments. My car can be heard from 2 miles away as I approach. I guess that is not loud enough for some.

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Mine pops loud enough for me, and certainly my neighbors from their comments. My car can be heard from 2 miles away as I approach. I guess that is not loud enough for some.
you might want to have your car checked out... there might be a leak somewhere or ur cats might have run their course. the higher cel count of the oem primary cats would not let any kind of pop filter through, maybe a burble but a pop, no way jose.

and we all know any stock ferrari (except the new CaliT) can be heard from a mile or so away, it's part of the passion we've all come to love.

my comment about loudness was based relative to that context and i guess simply put, it's louder, but most importantly to me, higher-pitched than most ferraris in my neck of the woods. W the headers, cats, airbox too, the sound doesn't thin out at higher rpms and speeds like it used to w just the s-line x-pipe.

Here's a clip of my setup, cats are still cold:
http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/h...77919075_n.mp4

If you look closely enough, it's already startin to shoot some bunsen-burner type flames/sparks.
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