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post #1 of 16 Old 09-18-2014, 02:12 AM Thread Starter
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Euro cars - best battery replacement

We all know that the stock Fiam battery is prone to fail fast and without much warning. One of the visual signs are that the battery starts to camber on the sides. If you see that this is happening, the battery will fail very soon. If you cold start your car and you're getting several instrument panel beeps and warnings from the underpowered ECUs, despite you're using a charger, it's also a sign that your battery will fail very soon.

I researched the best possible replacement taking in consideration that the F430 needs a lot power to crank when cold started. The ECUs hate to be underpowered during the engine crank phase and may result in data loss or engine may start only one bank. If weight is not your first priority, then the following battery is an excellent choice:

Varta Silver Dynamic AGM 570 901 076
Also sold as a Start Stop Plus battery which is a reinforced battery. It has 3x the cycle life compared with a conventional battery and will not leak even broken.

Performance Data
Voltage: 12
Capacity: 70
Cold Cranking Amps: 760 A

Physical Characteristics
Case Size: H6
Weight: 20 kg
Length: 278 mm
Width: 175 mm
Height: 190 mm

Link: Products | Autmotive | Silver Dynamic AGM | 570 901 076 | VARTA

This battery fits perfectly well in the location of the F430 even if it's a bit higher than the stock battery. Since I've installed, my engine cranks much faster and stronger even when stone cold. Cranking the engine several times in a short time is not a problem anymore.

Bosch sells the same battery under the same reference (Bosch and Varta are the same batteries)

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I have the same battery (labelled Bosch S6 AGM) in my F430 and agree, it is a fantastic power source.

I had to cock around a bit with the wires to get the battery in place properly: Aldous Voice Blog
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Aldous, was this installed on your 430? I'm asking because my new battery went straight in without moving the wire harnesses at all. Took me 5 min. to install it
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Yes - on the F430. I think mine might have been a special edition as I fitted one to another car without any hassles.
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other suggestions ?

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Hi Stef, I fitted this battery to both the 575M and 360 Spider - I found them to be excellent power sources.

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I have a Porsche GT3 battery in my F430 and SCUD its about 14 KG and relatively inexpensive
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Thanks Michael . This battery has an amazing cranking power, even when it's freezing cold. For the little extra weight, I more than happy and I know I can rely on it since the battery is really something the entire car is very dependant on.

Richard, do you know the manufacturer of the Porsche GT3 battery?
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I've just forked out on a silly money Lithium Ion Braille Battery which weighs virtually nothing but before that I ran successfully a PC100 for a few years (the big brother of the PC925 which is just too small to be useable unless your car lives on its charger). I found the PC925 too small to be honest.

Here's the Specs:
http://www.odysseybattery.com/docume...2_0113_001.pdf

Its twice the capacity of a PC925 yet only weights a little bit more so well worth the extra couple of kg's. It weights only 12.5kgs so its nearly 50% less weight than a stock Led acid and won't spill or cause acid leaks (its a Gel Battery).

Worth considering too. Check out its specs. Not a bad compromise really considering its weight, performance and price.

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We all know that the stock Fiam battery is prone to fail fast and without much warning. One of the visual signs are that the battery starts to camber on the sides. If you see that this is happening, the battery will fail very soon. If you cold start your car and you're getting several instrument panel beeps and warnings from the underpowered ECUs, despite you're using a charger, it's also a sign that your battery will fail very soon.

I researched the best possible replacement taking in consideration that the F430 needs a lot power to crank when cold started. The ECUs hate to be underpowered during the engine crank phase and may result in data loss or engine may start only one bank. If weight is not your first priority, then the following battery is an excellent choice:

Varta Silver Dynamic AGM 570 901 076
Also sold as a Start Stop Plus battery which is a reinforced battery. It has 3x the cycle life compared with a conventional battery and will not leak even broken.

Performance Data
Voltage: 12
Capacity: 70
Cold Cranking Amps: 760 A

Physical Characteristics
Case Size: H6
Weight: 20 kg
Length: 278 mm
Width: 175 mm
Height: 190 mm

Link: Products | Autmotive | Silver Dynamic AGM | 570 901 076 | VARTA

This battery fits perfectly well in the location of the F430 even if it's a bit higher than the stock battery. Since I've installed, my engine cranks much faster and stronger even when stone cold. Cranking the engine several times in a short time is not a problem anymore.

Bosch sells the same battery under the same reference (Bosch and Varta are the same batteries)
I have a Bosch Silver in my 550 - can't fault it.

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My 16M battery is flat - battery tender somehow disconnected from the outlet.

Door was easy to open soft top helps.

Went to Sams and grabbed a portable charger.

Going to set it on a low mode and see if it does anything will crank it up to full if necessary.

Will turn the heater fan on in case of a surge and place the car in neural - hopefully it gets enough juice.

Call around tomorrow for a battery not sure where to find an Odyssey.

Am I missing anything - does anyone know of fitment issues that may occur - Thanks!
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Fellas, i need a new battery before season starts. Is the Bosch S6 AGM the best for the F430 still? I think this is the equivalent to the one Stef used? Somehow on the Bosch website, the photo does not match Aldous image from his blog. Im a little confused. Any opinions appreciated.
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Those are batteries available in Europe.

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Thanks Terry. I found another option from Odyssey but the height is 198mm vs the Bosch mentioned about is a 190mm. I have a feeling the the Odyssey battery may be a very tight fit if at all. Not sure i want to chance ordering one up. I'll have to see if a local battery place would sell one. Here's what i was thinking if anyone out there can chime in with an answer. I don't plan on buying until late March or early April as i don;t anticipate the snow leaving us until then.

34R-PC1500T*| ODYSSEY Batteries
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PC1500 RT ODYSSEY Drycell Battery
34R-PC1500





PC 1500 RT Design:
• Absorbed glass mat (AGM) technology
• 12V pure lead VRLA
• SAE Group 34 footprint
• Rugged construction
• Top tin plated brass SAE terminals
• Can be mounted in any orientation
• Lifting handle
• US DOT and IATA certified non-spillable
• Shipped fully charged
• Container and cover made from oil resistant plastic Performance features:
• PHCA: 1,500 at 80F (27C)
• CCA: 880A at 0F (-18C)
• CA/MCA: 1,050 at 32F (0C)
• HCA: 1,250A at 80F (27C)
• Reserve capacity: 135 minutes
• Short circuit current: 3,100A
• Deep cycling capability: 400 at 80% DOD
• Design life: 12 years
• Typical service life: 6 to 8 years
• Operation temperature range: -40F
(-40C) to 176F (80C)


High rate discharge:
1,500 amps for 5 seconds
1,280 amps for 10 seconds
1,170 amps for 15 seconds
1,100 amps for 20 seconds
Weight: 49 pounds Recommended Odyssey battery for most late model Ferraris, including the 360 and F430.




Nominal Dimensions, in. (mm)
A B C D E F G H I J K L
10.85 6.99 7.82 5.02 1.70 8.27 0.69 10.07 6.26 0.68 6.76 5.38

(275.6) (177.5) (198.6) (127.5) (43.2) (210.0) (17.5) (255.8) (159.0) (17.3) (171.7) (136.6)


From a battery document I wrote a while back.the 34R-PC1500 is the recommended AGM battery for most Ferraris. Heavy, but bulletproof. Another good choice is Braille, which Ferrari dealers were using when the OEM Optimas did not work out well. Do not use a Duralast AGM from AutoZone.
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Terry, That looks to be the same as in my link above. Those are pretty amazing specs. My only concern was fitment. I guess if Ferrari used them, it should fit in the F430 right? Best thing is to open up that panel and measure. I would hate to return one of those things via mail. Imagine the shipping charges!
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