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post #1 of 22 Old 04-10-2014, 04:12 AM Thread Starter
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Help 360 Spider roof specialist needed.

Hi all, I am now pretty frustrated trying to locate someone with the appropriate experience and knowledge to get my 360 Spider roof working and sealing properly.

Can anyone recommend a specialist in the UK?

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Can you explain in more detail the issue. Possibly add pictures. We as a group might be able to offer some input.
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I would take it to Ed Blasi - he works at Dove House cars. He has trained at the factory on the 360 roof, including fitting a new canvas!
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Hi Netman, the two main problems are that the roof won't open completely, it is going to about 3/4, and when closed isn't sealing against the body correctly so leaks badly. The hydraulic fluid levels are full and it is trying to complete the cycle, it is just jamming before it stows completely.

The problem is I haven't been able to find anyone who specialises in these hoods (there just aren't that many here in Ireland so hence looking to the UK) who has the experience and know how on 360's plus the tools including diagnostics to even identify the issue or multiple there of.

Today I was recommended an independent Ferrari centre who are the first to talk sense and demonstrate they have the tools and experience, and say they have never had one they couldn't sort out. So I am going to take it over there next week but I would still like to hear any other recommendations.

By the way I put the car into a UK Ferrari main dealer this week who talked a good game, but they came back to me today with their diagnosis and quote........needs a complete new roof which supplied and fitted including VAT would be 30,741.00 I should have known when the tech they brought down suggested he needed to get another 360 spider to compare it to. Hmmmm

Hence my frustration.

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Thanks Aldous I'll call Ed tomorrow.

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By the way I put the car into a UK Ferrari main dealer this week who talked a good game, but they came back to me today with their diagnosis and quote........needs a complete new roof which supplied and fitted including VAT would be 30,741.00

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Hi Michael
Sorry to hear about the roof issues. The opening issue is probably due to the fact the center brace is not folding back all the way. This is usually due to the elastic strips aging and becoming too weak to pull the brace into the stored position.. If this is the case, open the roof to the first stage where the section that meets the windscreen folds atop the mid section. Give the soft center of the roof a slap back towards the back of the car with the palm of your hand. You should feel the fabric give way as the center brace folds into place. Then continue operation to the stored position. If this works operate the roof to the closed position. Mine operated like this until I could find a shop to change the elastic.
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Netman, I think you are right about the main issue stopping the roof completing its cycle. Once it is doing that it should be a case of going through on the diagnostics and eliminating errors with where adjustments are needed. Car is booked into an independent on Monday. They have done the training on the roof systems at Ferrari and have considerable experience. I'll keep you posted how things go.

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hi michael
after three weeks now my car is still at the shop and sounded like they are still struggling. can't believe how difficult it is to fix the roof.....
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after three weeks now my car is still at the shop and sounded like they are still struggling. can't believe how difficult it is to fix the roof.....
Well I'm staying positive after my Main Dealer assessment/experience. I have now picked up the car and it is at an independent Ferrari specialist. I think these guys understand my plight, but only time will tell. This week was a bad week to drop the cR in as most of the shops customers were looking for their cars by the Easter long weekend. But they promise they will be onto it next week so fingers crossed.

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hi michael any luck?

they have replaced hydro cylinder ? and claims to be able to open and close normally
however the warning light on dash will not go out. then found out problems seem to be coming from the roof ecu. have tried another ecu and lights go out. is it expensive to replace it?
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Hi Winsome, I have been patiently waiting for the last couple of weeks since dropping the car into a shop in the UK (independent Ferrari specialists) who have done the training and have the right experience and equipment. There seems to be a number of issues but the main one is the elastics in the roof had deteriorated and detached or broken allowing the central support to get twisted or out of place. Original elastics were sourced and are being fitted by the trimmer, although I believe from looking at Aldous' site alternatives are not difficult to source. I will have more info next week once this is done plus some other identified adjustments. Once the roof is operating through the complete cycle then they will look at the panel fit and how the roof seals on the body when up plus make sure the electronics are right.

A bit of a process but I am feeling like we're heading in the right direction now.

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Hi Michael
Glad to hear the issues are sorting out. If you run into any stress cracks in the frame due to the center not folding back, these can be welded and painted to match color and texture. Ask me how I know
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hi Michael
Any update you can share?
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Well it does work after many months of patient work by Migliore Cars in the midlands in the UK. It was a case of working through the issues one by one fixing and moving on. hence the long time period, but I must say the guys showed great patience and didn't let it beat them, and when all was said and done, it didn't need a complete new roof cartridge at 30K plus!

It will need further adjustment and I need to remove a couple of old tree sap stains and give it a dye to even out the colour. But all in all the spider is now a spider not a coupe with a funny looking roof.

What I am not happy about still is where the top meets the car (photos to come later) the fabric is not covering the seal so it is untidy. I have looked at loads of spiders recently with a wide degree of variance in terms of fit and finish. Of course I want mine to be in the top end of the equation not the bottom where it is now. So some getting to go.

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I finally have a couple of photos to show the issue with the fit of the roof. It is operating fine and is sealing but the fabric is not sitting flush down to the panels as it is on the F430 in the next shot as comparison. Not sure if there is adjustment in the fabric at all?

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This is the comparison on the F430 which is very neat.

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It's likely to to be one of the cables - they pull the flap down onto the panel. Didn't your techs sort this out for you?
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