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Engine Oil Capacity

The manual says total system = 10.0L
capacity between min / max dipstick holes is = 2.0L

I changed mine oil and added 10.4L and only 3/4 to max fill hole @ temp

Is this typical?
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At what temp?


Running?
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At what temp?


Running?
Yes.
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Well now I have an answer to my second question.
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Well now I have an answer to my second question.
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I assume that is oil temp and not water.


The oil level is not constant. It is perfectly OK to be anywhere in the range of the 2 marks.


Published oil capacity is not how much it takes when changing oil. Its how much it holds in total. That having been said the books are often wrong. That is compounded by the fact that different draining methodologies result in different percentages of the total being drained.


Of the 10 or so Ferraris a month I fill with oil, about half have an oil temp gauge so inaccurate it is worthless for measuring oil level. I always use an infared thermometer to measure oil temp when servicing the cars. In the absence of a thermometer if the oil is hot enough the cap is difficult to hold, even with a shop rag.


All that is really important at the end of the day is that at or above 175 degrees of oil temp, at idle the oil level is between the marks.




Also I have zero doubt that if the oil level is at the lower hole and 2 liters was added it would overfill the system.




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I assume that is oil temp and not water.


The oil level is not constant. It is perfectly OK to be anywhere in the range of the 2 marks.


Published oil capacity is not how much it takes when changing oil. Its how much it holds in total. That having been said the books are often wrong. That is compounded by the fact that different draining methodologies result in different percentages of the total being drained.


Of the 10 or so Ferraris a month I fill with oil, about half have an oil temp gauge so inaccurate it is worthless for measuring oil level. I always use an infared thermometer to measure oil temp when servicing the cars. In the absence of a thermometer if the oil is hot enough the cap is difficult to hold, even with a shop rag.


All that is really important at the end of the day is that at or above 175 degrees of oil temp, at idle the oil level is between the marks.




Also I have zero doubt that if the oil level is at the lower hole and 2 liters was added it would overfill the system.




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Very good information in this post (although I expect no less from Brian).

Just to add to everything he has said here with my additional experiences too.

A completely dry engine (e.g. just after major rebuild or similar) holds 'officially' more than an oil change would, i.e. 11.45 litres (assuming you trust the workshop manuals). This also corresponds directly to the quote of +2 liters which would overflow the system.

They also advise to disconnect the main oil pipe and remove all of the oil out of that (plus the gearbox mesh filter) so I completely concur about the different techniques of removing oil resulting in slightly differing results. And since oil viscosity changes according to temperature you get into a situation where some people empty oil when cold (slower to flow) and others do it warm (more oil flows out faster), and so on. Some wait longer, etc. So many variables, the list goes on.

Also bear in mind that 10 liters of oil takes a quite a bit of time to warm up. You'd be surprised. I fully agree on the oil temperature shown on the dashboard clocks, its just not that accurate so using an alternative to measuring Oil Temp is advisable. The sensor reading data comes from a very old inexpensive NTC sensor connected to the gearbox (location is near the starter motor) on the left hand side from the rear of the car. [Ferrari part no. 104628]. Having not investigated this further I'm not sure whether the issue is this very old sensor (also used on Fiats and Lancia's from decades ago!). The F430 moved over to adopting the use of 2 Bosch sensors for both the Water & Oil so perhaps Ferrari knew this weak spot but had a warehouse full of them and wanted to use them up before moving onto the better Bosch sensors!

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...Ferrari technical information. The best that can be said is at least they don't trouble us with too much of it.
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Thanks for the insight Brian and 360trv.

I will keep my eye on the level after the next drive to be sure.
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Just a follow up: got the engine to full temp and the level was perfect. 10.4L brought me just under the max hole.
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Like Brian said, capacities in the OM and WSM are not too accurate. My 575M should take ~10.5 quarts according to the tech data, but takes ~12 quarts every time, with my techs carefully watching the level once hot to avoid overfilling.

Glad you got yours worked out.

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As Brian ponited out earlier don't need to fill the oil to the MAX. Just keep it between the lines.

Filling the oil to the MAX level is dangerous.

Overfilling the system will suck oil into the intake track. This contaminating the mass air sensors & collecting oil in the intake plenum.


When I reviewed my service records I found that the previous owner of my car had done this to the tune of a $1,800 repair. Both mass air seniors were replaced & the intake plenum removed to clean out the oil residue.

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