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Scuderia Pricing and this......

Just surfing in a fantasy world- no new cars for me-

But is it me or has the pricing on Scuds softened?


And how many Blue Abu Dhabi's are there out there? This one is priced a little soft, no?



2008 Ferrari F430 Scuderia, $174,888 - Cars.com


This one is more my speed..

2009 Ferrari F430 Scuderia, $189,888 - Cars.com



Love to hear from the pricing Gurus (Mark?) on these.


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Historically, Nero Scuderias have gone for $10-20k less than red, white or yellow.

I'd say the black one is asking too much while the Abu Dhabi, albeit a less popular color, is a rare color and priced very very well.

Be sure to check the interior on the blue one...it might have oddities/combos like white stitching or tan leather etc that factor into the price.
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Can;t believe that blue one is still available and not sold yet!!
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Alwin:

Thanks for the feedback. The dilemma I will face in 2-3 years is to go to a Scud or 458. Other projects on the horizon now. But ith 458 at 200k+ now, what will the price points look like in 2 years and with the 458 Speciale coming online, it will be interesting.

On the more controversial side what is the most desirable red?

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Can;t believe that blue one is still available and not sold yet!!
Saw the Abu Dhabi Scud a few weeks ago,

Beautiful and has a big sticker - if anyone is interested it's 10 minutes away.

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Doug:

I am truly color blind but not, hmm, that color blind.



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I too saw the blue Scud. I thought it was interesting, and played around in my mind with getting it. I like blues, they are not so in your face.
As usual, my limited space quickly dashes these thoughts, but, then again......
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Doug:

I am truly color blind but not, hmm, that color blind.



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Whoops I should have clarified ... was answering your "what is the most desirable color".

The special colors are painted outside the Ferrari factory - no offense to anyone but it's the only prerequisite I have when buying a Ferrari ... of course it's easier being the second owner letting the first guy take the hit on the added cost.

Everyone has their favorites but resale red has earned the term.
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Alwin:

Thanks for the feedback. The dilemma I will face in 2-3 years is to go to a Scud or 458. Other projects on the horizon now. But ith 458 at 200k+ now, what will the price points look like in 2 years and with the 458 Speciale coming online, it will be interesting.

On the more controversial side what is the most desirable red?

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I can't speak for desirability, just resale-bility. Red, white and yellow seem to sell more easily and fetch a slight premium over the other colors.

Color oddities like black stripe w yellow outline will ding the price just because it's off the beaten path and so will almost always appeal to a smaller audience. Red is definitely the safe bet because it is widely accepted/recognized as the symbolic color of Ferrari and the tifosi.

With that said, I've seen shades of red that don't sell e.g. Rosso Dino, it may be a historic color but man, there was a 458 in that color and that thing was sitting for over a year and last I heard it sold dirt cheap (215k) mind you this was a year and a half ago too and 458 prices were still hard.

Anyone know what the interior combo is on that Abu Dhabi Scuderia?

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I own the last Blue Abu Dhabi Scuderia in the UK, mine has Nero alcantara, there was one other with a Tan interior, but as far as I know that car has been exported......

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I can't speak for desirability, just resale-bility. Red, white and yellow seem to sell more easily and fetch a slight premium over the other colors.

Color oddities like black stripe w yellow outline will ding the price just because it's off the beaten path and so will almost always appeal to a smaller audience. Red is definitely the safe bet because it is widely accepted/recognized as the symbolic color of Ferrari and the tifosi.

With that said, I've seen shades of red that don't sell e.g. Rosso Dino, it may be a historic color but man, there was a 458 in that color and that thing was sitting for over a year and last I heard it sold dirt cheap (215k) mind you this was a year and a half ago too and 458 prices were still hard.

Anyone know what the interior combo is on that Abu Dhabi Scuderia?
It has a Blue Scurro, or however you spell it. It is listed on the add.

Based on F430GT's pricing model, the only colors that don't take a hit are White, Red, & Silverstone.

Starting point for a 2009 2 years ago was 209k. I would say we have come down about 10 grand since then, so starting point for a car with less than 1000 miles, in the above colors would be 199k. Deduct $2.00 / mile for the first 10k miles, $1.00 / mile for any additional miles.

There are other small deductions, such as Tech Fabric interior, and no BATA upholstery fender covers, which amount to no more than $5k. No stripe would be another 4-5k deduction.

2008's with U.S. carbon package would start at 10k less.

I think time, plus all Scuderia's and 16M's running out of warranty has had an effect, plus the release of the 458 Speciale'.

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For starters, it's a tough time of year to sell a sports car in a lot of the US. Besides that, the Scud is a (depreciating) asset that will continue to lose value as it ages. It was produced in sufficient quantity to satisfy its market and the secondary market that it faces now. It is a spectacular car, but no longer represents the latest and greatest.

You could argue that it represents the end of the F1 era, but I'm not sure that rings such a loud bell and will cause it to be remember as a milestone in the track-oriented V8 lineup. i.e. it's not like the Porsche GT3 where the 997.2 is the last manual and the 991 will be PDK only (and why 997.2 GT3s have faced basically no depreciation).

That all said, I love the Scud. It's one of my top three favorite modern Ferraris.
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I found the interior details on the abu dhabi. It was already entered into my registry.

It has red contrast stitching w full alcantara interior.
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It has a Blue Scurro, or however you spell it. It is listed on the add.

I think time, plus all Scuderia's and 16M's running out of warranty has had an effect, plus the release of the 458 Speciale'.

I love that formula. Too bad, sometimes the sellers don't always follow it......

I had not thought of the end of warranty but of course that is a factor as well as the others y'all mention.

Seems like a Scud could be in my future after all........



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It has a Blue Scurro, or however you spell it. It is listed on the add.
Yep, blu Scurro w contrast red stitching...probably why the low price on this one and why there no pics of the interior

Looked through my registry and couldn't pull up an interior pic either, only of the dashboard & speedo.

I also see pics of hazing headlamps...

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I found the interior details on the abu dhabi. It was already entered into my registry.

It has red contrast stitching w full alcantara interior.
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2008 Ferrari F430 Scuderia | Blu Abu Dhabi on Blu Scuro | EM 162921 | Exotic Motors Midwest |

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It has a Blue Scurro, or however you spell it. It is listed on the add.

Based on F430GT's pricing model, the only colors that don't take a hit are White, Red, & Silverstone.

Starting point for a 2009 2 years ago was 209k. I would say we have come down about 10 grand since then, so starting point for a car with less than 1000 miles, in the above colors would be 199k. Deduct $2.00 / mile for the first 10k miles, $1.00 / mile for any additional miles.

There are other small deductions, such as Tech Fabric interior, and no BATA upholstery fender covers, which amount to no more than $5k. No stripe would be another 4-5k deduction.

2008's with U.S. carbon package would start at 10k less.

I think time, plus all Scuderia's and 16M's running out of warranty has had an effect, plus the release of the 458 Speciale'.
Samething is going to happen to 458 Speciale!
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That's a nero interior lol not blu scurro, silly 3rd party dealers. Looks like the headlamps are still hazy as well.

Weird combo + hazing headlamps + fading engine bay carbon (lost its shine) + questionable clutch reading = 175k price.

Tread at your own risk!

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Blue Abu Dhabi is amazing, opportunities like this don't come around very often, the Gold stripes are a little OTT though
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& it looks like the Abu Dhabi has now sold which is no surprise .....
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