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post #1 of 19 Old 07-18-2013, 07:15 PM Thread Starter
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Battery Image In Dash

The attached image appears on my 360 dash after the normal 'check ok' process. She starts and runs, charger shows fully charged over night and a long drive doesn't result in the image leaving the dash.

The battery is 4yr-3mon old, a soft ticking sound comes from the battery area but stops after a dozen ticks.

I'm making an assumption it's time for a battery change but wanted to ask the experts here as the battery light in the manual doesn't have the plug inside the battery.

Your replies are appreciated and thank you
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post #2 of 19 Old 07-18-2013, 07:42 PM
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Blu- She still thinks the battery charger (optional Zivan charger in Schedoni case) is hooked up to the car. Connector may have a short.

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Thank Taz. I have a spare connector and will swap out this weekend. I'm making an assumption if the ECU discovered insufficient or over charging the plug symbol within the image would disappear and the battery would blink.

I've read a couple opinions on replacing 360 batteries as routine maintenance but the timing varies. Do you have an opinion and which battery to use? Ricambi has 'BATTERY 12V TYPE VR760 - 168852' but the shipping alone would probably make best sense for me to pick one up locally and swap out.

Thanks again.

P.S. - She's probably forgotten her southern roots and just grumpy like the rest of us in the region with the heat & humidity. Nice to see she feels at home.

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The plot thickens. After checking connections and an overnight charge, all was good for 20m drive. After a weekly car gathering tonight with trunk/boot open after starting her the symbol reappeared. This time while driving the directionals/hazards don't "blink". After cool down and parked, the blink works with key in 2nd position not running.

I'm now thinking the battery symbol is telling us something different. Does the accessory key position run off battery and when started other ECU(s) take over? Telling us it's time for a battery swap or something more involved?

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Blu- Sounds like you should get some professional help, hopefully with an SD2, unless some of our pros want to chime in with a possible analysis.

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I'm afraid you have a ground issue, something that happens quite often on the 360. I would go through all ground connection points starting with those from the alternator and engine starter.
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Thanks Stef & Taz. A professional will certainly look at it next week. We added a ground stead to the alternator the day it was delivered to assist with the known 360 grounding issues. I'll post a root cause for this instance when known.

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Updating my own post in case the next lucky owner of our 360 has a similar issue.

Shortly following the first battery tender change the same battery image in the dash appeared. Further testing lead me to change the tender with a higher quality CTEK (2nd battery disconnect and relearn process). Shortly following the image reappeared. We then changed the battery which was coming towards end of life (3rd battery disconnect and relearn process, one really gains an appreciation for the 360 learning process) and had the power, grounds and trace communication voltage check at all points (checked out fine). Have driven 1600m+ since and all is good without the error reappearing.

So . . . I have a thought. While at a track event I mentioned the scenario to a race tech and he asked, "did you check the 430 owners manual for the indash error code?". At first I chuckled and then realized he was serious. Well, as Taz first speculated our 360 was in fact thinking she was still connected to the battery tender. The image below is taken from a '05 430 owners manual. Now the question, how does a 1st generation 360 have codes first presented in a 1st generation 430? Digging through the records I found two items; 1)the original window sticker shows a battery tender pre-wiring, and 2)a failed instrument cluster was replaced a few years before we acquired her. Maybe it's possible 1)an undocumented instrument panel code became standard in the 430 but was included in our 360 from the factory with the pre-wiring, or 2)when the instrument cluster was replaced there's a reflash of codes which at the time took the latest update including the '05 360 reflash which may share some of the same '05 430 codes, in particular is the one shown below. Or might as well add 3)a battery coming to end of life trips the same instrument code; nothing leads me to this option but that would be a great feature.

We're glad she's happy again but certainly curious if anyone has thoughts on the topic.
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Please share your windows sticker. Would like to see the options you have detailed.
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Blu- From the US MY 03 360 Spider OM, 1834/02. Ferrari is pretty bad about updating the OMs, and I was actually surprised they updated for the battery charger in this edition. The lamp was probably added early in 360 production, but it took a while for the OMs to reflect it.
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where is this factory battery tender connection on the 360 located?
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Interesting, great image Taz. The OEM tender itself is long gone and the battery terminals were changed during a aftermarket audio upgrade, but potentially the top left still exists. It looks like the line runs to the front boot. I'll check that out.

Netman, here's an image of the sticker you asked about.
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The OEM tender itself is long gone and the battery terminals were changed during a aftermarket audio upgrade, but potentially the top left still exists. It looks like the line runs to the front boot. I'll check that out
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Blu, Can't imagine why they'd take off the charger pigtail. But even if they did, you can buy them from Ricambi or Ferrparts. I found an NOS one on eBay. Takes about five minutes to install.

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Blu, Can't imagine why they'd take off the charger pigtail. But even if they did, you can buy them from Ricambi or Ferrparts. I found an NOS one on eBay. Takes about five minutes to install.
Apologize that you might have lost context of the thread. I did just that when connecting a new CTEK tender. The bump was to provide a response with thoughts to why the image was appearing when the tender was not plugged in.

One could argue a simple tender install direct to the battery is more likely 4x your estimiate. At least for a 360.

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Thanks for sharing. Owned this car 8 years and still learning
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Thanks for sharing. Owned this car 8 years and still learning
So comforting to hear! We've got ours nicely sorted since acquisition and hope we're saying the same thing years from now.

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Apologize that you might have lost context of the thread. I did just that when connecting a new CTEK tender. The bump was to provide a response with thoughts to why the image was appearing when the tender was not plugged in.

One could argue a simple tender install direct to the battery is more likely 4x your estimiate. At least for a 360.
But then you would not get a charging light on the dash and teh ignition disable feature which prevents driving off with tender attached
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Hopefully he fixed the problem in the last 2 1/2 years. Not sure the Zivan chargers had the start disable feature.

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