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Anyone with a Scuderia have failed headers?

I've searched this on a couple of forums and can't seem to find an answer. People have speculated that this is not a problem as the Scud headers are a different design than the F430 but I have not seen a definitive answer.
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Scud/16M header has no precats, that is the main difference. The headers are an update compared to the standard car, however the same stresses that cause the headers to fail with standard cars can also occur with Scud/16M but there are NO precats to fail and get pulled back into the engine and hence catastrophic engine detonation doesn't occur.
Even so, with a Scud it is worth looking at the Capristo sprung mount - or even going the complete route with Capristo exhaust!
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One of my friends changed his stock headers already 3 times on his 16M...blown headers on the 16M, despite there are no pre-cats, represent still a potential engine failure risk as small broken steel parts can be sucked back in. Ferrari headers, whatever the model is, is really a weakness and something that need to be carefuly checked.
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Ferrari headers, whatever the model is, is really a weakness



Not as far as Ferrari is concerned.


Ferrari has designated exhaust manifolds as a consumable part much like a clutch or brake pads.
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Not as far as Ferrari is concerned.


Ferrari has designated exhaust manifolds as a consumable part much like a clutch or brake pads.
Not true, many have been replaced under warranty!

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Not true, many have been replaced under warranty!



Doesn't change anything. Timing belts, batteries, windshield wipers etc,etc,etc, were covered under warranty but were still considered consumables.


Apples and oranges.


Ferrari got tired of people complaining that a part that should have been considered a durable component failed so often so they redefined them a consumable.



Brakes, tires and clutches are not covered because they are specifically excluded.
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I was told by capristo directly there is no need to change the stock scud mounts.
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I think Scuderia's weak point is the transmission, not the headers
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one could always make up some cast iron headers like Detroit city car manufacturers have done for years...they will last a long time :=)

header wear ( failure ) comes with the territory, it's part of the wear... the use of thin wall tubes is the only way to get tubes bent and drawn to correct shapes and length for maximum effect from exhaust tuning... each bend weakens that particular area making it more suscetible to burn through... welds build up joints for unequal response to heat for more issues... there is a simple choice between increasing performance and weight saving or settling for less performance with more weight to favor longivity
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I think Scuderia's weak point is the transmission, not the headers
Most owners, even those who regularly track the car say the opposite. The Scud transmission is superb in function and very reliable. Have you had problems?

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I was told by capristo directly there is no need to change the stock scud mounts.
Is that if you have changed to Capristo headers?

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I was told by capristo that stock exhaust is fine. I asked because I bought remote exhaust valve from them and I asked if I should buy mounts. He said no need on scud.
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I was told by capristo that stock exhaust is fine. I asked because I bought remote exhaust valve from them and I asked if I should buy mounts. He said no need on scud.
Good to know!
Valve control is additive.

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