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My headlights were replaced new as part of CPO. Do the new headlights still suffer from hazing issue?
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I'm afraid that they all suffer from this issue as this problem has never been addressed neither by Ferrari or Valeo.
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After you wash the Scud - leave the headlights on for a lil bit.

Drying out any moisture.
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My headlights were replaced new as part of CPO. Do the new headlights still suffer from hazing issue?
Unfortunately, the hazing will inevitably return.

I have taken pointers from the rest of the gang here and the best practice seems to run your lights whenever driving to keep the moisture from collecting within the headlamp unit.

My passenger side unit unfortunately has also fallen victim to the hazing and I just ordered a pair of brand new ones. 6k in the hole so, if anyone has any other ideas please do tell.

I also know that the non-carbon headlamp units do not have this issue.
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Unfortunately, the hazing will inevitably return.

I have taken pointers from the rest of the gang here and the best practice seems to run your lights whenever driving to keep the moisture from collecting within the headlamp unit.

My passenger side unit unfortunately has also fallen victim to the hazing and I just ordered a pair of brand new ones. 6k in the hole so, if anyone has any other ideas please do tell.

I also know that the non-carbon headlamp units do not have this issue.
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Any good shop can fix this. My shop in Bellevue, Wa. can do it. You can remove your front bumper, and headlights, and send him your headlights. He can carefully break the seal, clean them out, and reseal them for under $2000. He only charged me $1300 which Ferrari of Washington paid for since they lied about their condition. He said it was quite time consuming as he was being ultra careful to make sure he did not crack anything.

Rich at Bel-Red Auto Rebuild in Bellevue Washington.

Biggest thing to do is always drive with your headlights on, day or night. Most owners don't drive much at night, so this makes the problem worse over time. After washing your car, drive with the headlights on, also will probably help get some of the moisture out of the mirrors and rear bumper areas. Then just go over your car with a soft micro fiber towel, wetted a bit with detail spray.

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Any good shop can fix this. My shop in Bellevue, Wa. can do it. You can remove your front bumper, and headlights, and send him your headlights. He can carefully break the seal, clean them out, and reseal them for under $2000. He only charged me $1300 which Ferrari of Washington paid for since they lied about their condition. He said it was quite time consuming as he was being ultra careful to make sure he did not crack anything.

Rich at Bel-Red Auto Rebuild in Bellevue Washington.
Thanks for the lead!

I guess I can ship my old set to him and save them as backup or sell them to any 430 owner here looking to upgrade to carbon headlamps.

From hereon in, I'm definitely leaving my lights on day or night!
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Headlights on it is. Do you guys think its because of rain and washing or ambient humidity?
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Headlights on it is. Do you guys think its because of rain and washing or ambient humidity?
Number 1 would be poorly designed seal. #2 would be most Ferrari's are probably driven during the day without headlights on. After a wash most people throw their cars in the garage and there is no heat to dry out and moisture. Those are my guesses, and what the Service Manager at Ferrari of Seattle told me.

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I also know that the non-carbon headlamp units do not have this issue.
I don't think this is correct, I've seen several non-carbon units with the same problem. Also seen quite a few carbon Scuds that have had no problems at all. Luck of the draw!

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I don't think this is correct, I've seen several non-carbon units with the same problem. Also seen quite a few carbon Scuds that have had no problems at all. Luck of the draw!
The front engine Ferrari's created a lot more heat - my 612 lights always fogged up whereas my 16M light never have since they were replaced under warranty.

I use a leaf blower to dry my cars with the engine and lights on removing all the moisture - then open the doors which gives the inside a nice dusting
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The front engine Ferrari's created a lot more heat - my 612 lights always fogged up whereas my 16M light never have since they were replaced under warranty.

I use a leaf blower to dry my cars with the engine and lights on removing all the moisture - then open the doors which gives the inside a nice dusting
Plus 1 on the leaf blower. Really helps with the mirrors that always seem to ruin my thorough wash job. SV is a PIA as water remains in the doors and runs all over the sills.

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I don't think this is correct, I've seen several non-carbon units with the same problem. Also seen quite a few carbon Scuds that have had no problems at all. Luck of the draw!
I have yet to see or hear an owner report a non-carbon scuderia headlamp hazing in my neck of the woods...
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Well mine for instance has also this annoying decease too. Russ is right, all 430/Scud/16M can have this problem
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I have non-carbon scuderia headlamp.. no problem !

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I just wanted to add an update to this topic, after having my old units removed and replaced with new ones, I sent them out to a reputable shop. They interestingly noted that most of the "hazing" was not residue of evaporated moisture or mold, but interesting enough was actually the inner film applied by Valeo/Ferrari disintegrating from the combination of heat and moisture.

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Plus 1 on the leaf blower. Really helps with the mirrors that always seem to ruin my thorough wash job. SV is a PIA as water remains in the doors and runs all over the sills.
Great to know I've got you and Doug to wash & dry my Cali 30 in Cannes now, however, just wondering which one of you is bringing the leaf blower over

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I just wanted to add an update to this topic, after having my old units removed and replaced with new ones, I sent them out to a reputable shop. They interestingly noted that most of the "hazing" was not residue of evaporated moisture or mold, but interesting enough was actually the inner film applied by Valeo/Ferrari disintegrating from the combination of heat and moisture.

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So if its heat and moisture.... Then running headlights on at all times could be a problem.
running without headlights is bad for moisture. WTF. I wish we could do a controlled trial of both states in the same climate. I am believing its film. when i saw my headlights before replacement it did not look like chronic effects of a humid environment.
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So if its heat and moisture.... Then running headlights on at all times could be a problem.
running without headlights is bad for moisture. WTF. I wish we could do a controlled trial of both states in the same climate. I am believing its film. when i saw my headlights before replacement it did not look like chronic effects of a humid environment.
Yep, the shop definitely felt that the root problem was that the film failed, and its failure was probably due to the combined negative effects of condensed heat and moisture within the housing. They guarantee their work and said they are 95% sure that after the cleaning and re-polish, which effectively removes the film, the hazing will not return =)

It will be my backup set in case the new oem ones fail on me.

My headlamps had been fine the entire year and a half before, it only went to shit during this recent weird humid-cold-spell-then-sudden-hot-spell climate we've been experiencing in the San Francisco bay area. And once 1 small speck popped up, it just broke out like a plague in my passenger side unit. That's why I opted to change both headlamps because I noticed 2 small specks on the driver's side as well but it had not escalated to plague status...yet =)
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Interesting feedback, it looks like we are getting closer to the real root cause of our headlight issues. I'm wondering for what the interior film is used since it seems that we can do without it.
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The film theory is more believable than just humidity. Interesting indeed.
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