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post #1 of 16 Old 12-22-2012, 09:49 AM Thread Starter
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I've always driven manual transmissions in performance cars, but the manual 6 speed in the F430 is a rare thing.

Will I miss the clutch if I get an F1?

Does the clutch last longer with F1 vs manual?

Does the clutch last longer in paddle or automatic mode?
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D, Welcome to the forum. They are entirely different driving experiences, so you really need to drive both and decide which one you like the best. I second Johan's suggestion, there is a looooong history of posts on that very subject.

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I am on my second F-car. First was a 360 and now an F430. I thought I was a 3 pedal guy, but after owning 2 Ferrari's with F1 tranny's I Love 'em! The F1 gear box is awesome!

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I've always driven manual transmissions in performance cars, but the manual 6 speed in the F430 is a rare thing.

Will I miss the clutch if I get an F1?

Does the clutch last longer with F1 vs manual?

Does the clutch last longer in paddle or automatic mode?
The 430 was designed around the F1 transmission. 6 speed was a bit of an after thought. Hence car works better with the F1.
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I'm a dinosaur who likes the work, so gated was the only way to go for me. When I hit the shifts just right, it's very rewarding. And the gated clutches do last longer (from everything I've researched).

Heck, I even have a manual E60 M5. The 6-speed on the M5 was truly an afterthought - much more so than the gated shifter on the F430 - and I would NOT do the M5 again if I had it to do over. The gated F430, though, is sheer pleasure!

Many F1 guys don't know how to really drive a stick, and that group is getting bigger all the time as sticks become less available from most manufacturers.

Then again, many of them drive a stick pretty well, yet they often prefer the F1 after driving it for a while. One F430 owner I know well felt exactly as I do, but he couldn't find a gated model so he bought the F1. After about two months of driving the car, he became an F1 convert.

So the answer is: Some drink red, some drink white, and others drink Warsteiner!

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Oft repeated, but if you drive an F1 car like a manual transmission, and do not let it do all the silly automatic downshifting, you will love it and clutch life, obviously, will be pretty much like a three pedal clutch. Drive it like an automatic, and you will probably not like it as much.

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I prefer the manual transmissions as you feel more if a connection with the car, but this is merely a matter of preference.... Fact the clutch lasts longer in manual transmission!
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F1 all the way. I have a manual 996 GT2 and it sits. I do enjoy the GT3's though in manual, but regading Ferrari's, the CS 360, 2008 HGTE 599's on up, and of course the Scuderia and 16M, drive one of those, and you will lose your love of the manual transmission.

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Been driving sports cars for over 50 years. Never had a non manual, never wanted one. Now one of the cars is a Scud ... WOW! After this I might even give driving a PDK another chance (though I'm not convinced of that).

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A- Bet my F1 clutch will last longer than your three pedal clutch. In 50 years of driving cars with clutches, have not worn one out yet, and F1 will be no different.

So no, it is not a fact that three pedal clutches wear longer than F1 clutches. All depends on how you drive them.

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With difficulty. The point was clutch life is largely dependent on driver technique, manual or F1. There is no reason an F1 clutch will wear out faster than a three pedal clutch if they are driven the same way. The only part on an F1 clutch that always sees more wear than a three pedal clutch is the throw-out bearing, and that is not usually the deteminant on clutch life. Another old wives' tale.

Dan- Another old wives' is that the clutch slips continuously in reverse for F1 systems. It does not and locks up just like it does in 1st. It takes more clutch slip to get going, but that is because reverse is almost as high as 2nd gear in the 360 and 575s, fixed for the F430 and 599 with a much lower reverse gear. Easy to demonstrate, all you have to do is find a larger parking lot (preferably donwhill) and start in reverse. The clutch will slip until fully engaged and stay full engaged.

Since the F1 and three pedal cars use exactly the same transmission, the same high reverse problem exists and it takes much more clutch slip with your left foot to get the car going, just like F1.

360 1st 3.286, 2nd 2.158, R 2.565
575 1st 3.153, 2nd 2.176, R 2.364
F430 1st 3.29, 2nd 2.16, R 2.73
599 1st 3.15, 2nd 2.18, R 2.93

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Been driving sports cars for over 50 years. Never had a non manual, never wanted one. Now one of the cars is a Scud ... WOW! After this I might even give driving a PDK another chance (though I'm not convinced of that).
Same situation here. Never was a F1 box fan until I got the Scud. F1 is brilliant in that car and a manual would be very out of place.
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Wow. Great discussion. Thanks much. Think I'm still inclined toward the manual, not so much for the gear shifting as the control that a clutch pedal allows. I'm having trouble finding the right car and may have to modify my requirements as the search continues, and it's good to know that so many experienced owners/drivers are F1 fans that I would probably join them after driving one for a while.

No back to my search...

Incidentally, I'm looking for an '04 or '05 360 Spider in nero (preferably daytona) or any of the grigios. Flexible on the interior but tan is preferred. Flexible on the transmission, but manual is preferred.

Thanks again,

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Terry, Thanks, I was misinformed. Interesting that all the R gears are longer than 1st, even the 430 (though as you point out, not as long as the 360).

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