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post #1 of 9 Old 12-08-2012, 04:15 PM Thread Starter
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360 Oil Change Did I get it all????

I just did an oil and filter change on my 2004 360. Opened both drain caps and let the oil drain out. Then I open the pipe union on the tube to the radiator and blew air through it.

When I did that I got about 16 to 24 ounces more old oil out. After about one hour I replaced the filter.

Everyone who posted here says they only were able to put in 10 to 10.5 quarts of oil to get to the correct level.

I started with 9 quarts and added only 1/2 quart at a time but it took a full 12 quarts to get the oil level up to between the min and max mark.

My question is did I get "all the old oil out"???? I really thought I would only put in somewhere between 10 and 11 quarts.


I know over filling is very dangerous but it took all twelve (12) to get the level to reregister on the dip stick.

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Kim- Owners manual on my 575M says 10 liters (10.57 qts), but it always takes 12-13 qts to fill her. Not sure if they used the min mark to measure capacity, because it is 2 liters from min to max on my car and 1 liter on yours.

Pros say never mind what the manual says, use the oil level gauge.

Just make sure she is hot when the oil is changed, because if you fill her cold, the oil will expand and get into all kinds of places you do not want it once heated. So put in the recommended amount, get her hot, check and then add if necessary.

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Same for me Kim, I've never been able to add more than 10 liters/quarts. I would check often the oil level when the engine is warming up and make 100% sure it's not overfilled.
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Thanks Guys,

I am hoping Brian sees this too as he seems very knowledgeable on maintenance matters!

After I got it warmed up at idle and but in the 11th quart I took her out on the highway ( I know a good reason to go rip snorting down the highway for about 15 miles eh?). When the temp was above 160 then I put in the last qt and now it is just above the min mark. I will check next nice day when I drive her but I think I really need one more or at least 1/2 to get it up between the min and max holes.

I guess your right "you just can't go by the manual"!

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Thanks Guys,

I am hoping Brian sees this too as he seems very knowledgeable on maintenance matters!

After I got it warmed up at idle and but in the 11th quart I took her out on the highway ( I know a good reason to go rip snorting down the highway for about 15 miles eh?). When the temp was above 160 then I put in the last qt and now it is just above the min mark. I will check next nice day when I drive her but I think I really need one more or at least 1/2 to get it up between the min and max holes.

I guess your right "you just can't go by the manual"!

Kim
I have replaced 360 engines with the entire oiling system either removed or disconnected and drained and have never put 12 quarts in one to fill it back up.


I have to believe your filling and or testing methodology is wrong.
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I am sure open to suggestions.

Here is what I did, after it all drained out as I stated above I put in 9 quarts of Pennzoil 550022576 Ultra 5W-40 European Full Synthetic Motor Oil, and started the car.

Let it run at idle for about 4 or 5 minutes. Checked the level by wiping the dip stick and letting it rest on top of the reservoir. ie: did not screw it down. With the engine at idle. No oil showed. Added one qt and repeated the process. Repeated the steps above again and added 1/2 qt. Oil temp now showing about 125 degrees or so. Took the car out at highway speeds for 8 or 10 miles. Now oil temp about 160 degrees. Added 1/2 qt. barely touched the dip stick. Now at 11 u.s. quarts. Let it idle for a few more minutes and added 1/2 quart. Checked it again after a minute or two at idle then added 1/2 quart again. Now on of the bottom hole marking the min level after a full 12 quarts.

What did I do wrong.

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I am sure open to suggestions.

Here is what I did, after it all drained out as I stated above I put in 9 quarts of Pennzoil 550022576 Ultra 5W-40 European Full Synthetic Motor Oil, and started the car.

Let it run at idle for about 4 or 5 minutes. Checked the level by wiping the dip stick and letting it rest on top of the reservoir. ie: did not screw it down. With the engine at idle. No oil showed. Added one qt and repeated the process. Repeated the steps above again and added 1/2 qt. Oil temp now showing about 125 degrees or so. Took the car out at highway speeds for 8 or 10 miles. Now oil temp about 160 degrees. Added 1/2 qt. barely touched the dip stick. Now at 11 u.s. quarts. Let it idle for a few more minutes and added 1/2 quart. Checked it again after a minute or two at idle then added 1/2 quart again. Now on of the bottom hole marking the min level after a full 12 quarts.

What did I do wrong.
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Seems like you did everything right.

Call GLB or STL or go by there.

You airplane guys have a lot more guts than me - I have zero desire to see oil clouds.
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Hi Doug,

Just got to the hotel here in LAX.

We missed you at the first Lamborghini meeting the other week. Saw a nice house only a little smaller than I hear yours is!

I took the car out this morning before I had to leave for the airport and ran it for about 10 miles. The OAT was only about 28* so the oil temp only got to a little north of the 120* mark on the temp gauge. When I got home checked the oil level and it was just a "smidgen" above the half way mark. Between the two holes. I would say that is perfect, so she won't take anymore oil but it took every bit of 12 US quarts to get it there!

While I had access to the lift I fixed a small leak on the AC compressor, tightened a loose bracket on the alternator, fixed some vibration cracks on the engine pan/cover and reinforced the fiberglass axle boot covers that had a couple of soft places on them from the heat of the cats. Inspected the motor mounts and did a general cleanup under there. She is running great and I am as happy as ever!

We NEED to do something this winter.

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Hi Doug,

Just got to the hotel here in LAX.

We missed you at the first Lamborghini meeting the other week. Saw a nice house only a little smaller than I hear yours is!

I took the car out this morning before I had to leave for the airport and ran it for about 10 miles. The OAT was only about 28* so the oil temp only got to a little north of the 120* mark on the temp gauge. When I got home checked the oil level and it was just a "smidgen" above the half way mark. Between the two holes. I would say that is perfect, so she won't take anymore oil but it took every bit of 12 US quarts to get it there!

While I had access to the lift I fixed a small leak on the AC compressor, tightened a loose bracket on the alternator, fixed some vibration cracks on the engine pan/cover and reinforced the fiberglass axle boot covers that had a couple of soft places on them from the heat of the cats. Inspected the motor mounts and did a general cleanup under there. She is running great and I am as happy as ever!

We NEED to do something this winter.

Kim
Good to hear

I agree maybe a run to the casino or who knows.

Too bad I missed the Lambo event but there will be more.

Next spring plan on coming by for some fun times and F1 parties.
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