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F430 VS Porsche GTS

I have been lurking on this site for about and I have appreciated all the knowledge and insight so far. I currently own a 2012 Porsche 911 GTS but have been very interested in the F430 F1. My budget would allow around 150k. I would prefer a low mileage car most likely a 2005 - 2007. Would I be downgrading given the 6 year difference? Has anybody made this performance comparison and what was the outcome? I am new to Ferrari but I am always looking for something different and truly love the Ferrari design and nostalgia.


I also could get into a 2010-2011 Turbo S for that dollar amount as well.

Any thoughts? I appreciate your time in advance!!!!!

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post #2 of 21 Old 11-19-2012, 07:00 PM
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Ferrari vs Porsche is a preference.

You either want an exotic or you don't.

F1 technology in a Ferrari with 500 hp vs 911 are worlds apart.

How many guys go from Ferrari to Porsche would be a better question.

So what's your 430 color choices
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After you drive a Scuderia, you will never touch a normal F430. My 2 cents

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Mark, welcome to FerrariLife.

The best answer to your question is to test drive a 430. You'll discover by your own impressions that Ferrari is not just about figures I think that Porsche is rather a complementary daily car. Don't be afraid of higher mileage 430's if they have been well maintained. Most of them have been through the issues which isn't always the case with garage queens.
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Some good points here, especially Doug's about going from Ferrari to Porsche. A few years ago I decided I needed a Porsche in my life not ever having had one, and was deposit down on a Turbo, but pulled it after driving the GTS as it is a fabulous drivers car for everyday. But in the end, as I drove home in the 575M I realised my folly and started my search for a F430 instead. Problem is I find myself being pulled towards the Scud as the obvious stable mate to the big V12, decisions decisions.

It's a one way street. And I think you will find that Ferrari is more than just about the cars, it's the heritage and community too.

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I can reply this one!

First I want to say the last! Go for F430!

I've been in Porsche showroom to pickup one black 911. a brand new 2012. I ended up with Ferrari...
Inside the car you have more features and of course a daily drive.

But Porsche is considered as a "Normal" car and not an exotic. Anyway it goes to underground valet parking. Ferrari is Ferrari and the shape and technology is not comparable to most of the cars including porsche.

Finally I can never see myself driving a porsche. to be honest I might sell my house if I get bankrupted but not the Ferrari.

That's the addiction of Formula1 record holder of no mechanical failure in more than 60 races.

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. Problem is I find myself being pulled towards the Scud as the obvious stable mate to the big V12, decisions decisions.

It's a one way street. And I think you will find that Ferrari is more than just about the cars, it's the heritage and community too.

Cheers
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The Scud is the most addictive car I have ever owned.

If there is a modern Ferrari that exemplifies Enzo's spirit it's a Scud regardless of it's number of cylinders.

Think of it as a modern Dino
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The Scud is the most addictive car I have ever owned.

If there is a modern Ferrari that exemplifies Enzo's spirit it's a Scud regardless of it's number of cylinders.

Think of it as a modern Dino
Exactly, I have a lot of cars, but the Scud always gets driven. My 996 GT2 just sits.

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Exactly, I have a lot of cars, but the Scud always gets driven. My 996 GT2 just sits.
Same thing with my 612 - it just sat.
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Thank you all for the great replies! My color choice would be the Ferrari Red as I am tired of black.

I will have to test drive the 430 and give you my impressions. As I continue my search and learn from all of you I am sure I will come to a happy conclusion.

If you have any suggestions where I can find a bevy of 430's for sale please let me know.
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Get rid of the Beetle...
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I agree with the majority here. Never owned a F430 or 911 but have driven both. I don't think there is much of an argument in my opinion with the 430 vs the GTS. Maybe more with a Turbo, but I think here the 430 would be my choice hands down. Especially if you can find a Scud in your price range. Good luck with your search.
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Doug, I hear you knockin'

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I have had a couple of 911s - a 996 C4S and a 997 C2. I would never underestimate a 911 because it is a great car, and offers many things a supercar doesn't.

With regards to the 430, that is not really a comparable experience. It is less usable, more inspirational. You feel the F1 history.

I have never driven a scud but own a 430 Spider and a CS. The CS is very different from the 430, although it is not true to say that after driving CS/(Scud?) you would never drive a 430. The 430 is more civilised and makes a fantastic ultra-sporting GT, whereas the CS takes much more commitment to drive long distances.

The two are different in character and one doesn't replace the other.

However, If I had to sell one? Well, the CS is a keeper - it is a remarkable car in every way, really, really fabulous, I have never owned a car like it. It's beautiful, raw, well made (unbelievable but true!), fast, rewarding, engaging....

You get the point.
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Get rid of the Beetle...
Hey mikegr just noticed your comment, we're you having a go at my Scirroco

Best little track day car out there-just stick on a set of track pads and tires on and drive the nuts off it!, then stick it back in the garage as if nothing had happened. Never breaks, costs buttons and forgives you when you get beyond your capabilities

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Try to get a test drive in a Scud. I was looking for a 'regular' 430 and fell for one.

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I have owned two Porsche 911: a 996 C4S (sold a few years ago) and a 993 C4S (just sold).

Porsches are great cars, but they don't bring-out the passion in the way the Ferraris do.

Since I bought the Maranello and the Scud, my 993 C4S (mint, ultra low-mileage 3.8l example) felt out of place... and also very overvalued compared to the Maranello.

I am more of the buy-and-hold type of enthusiast, but eventualy decided to sell the 993. I was surprised it sold in less than a week for the equivalent of $100K.

Now, think about this: there are so many nice Ferraris to be had for less than that! In fact, the broker who helped me sell my 993 has a mint F355 Spider for 40% less than what I got for the Porsche (very tempting).

Having owned both brands I struggle to understand the valuation discrepancy in the 2nd hand market.

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I don't think the values are that out of whack in general. Specific models carry premiums (sometimes huge) because of demand. The 993 is in that category right now, especially good ones. Conversely there are sweet spots in both marques and then there are models we just fall for

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Ferrari is a experince all to it's ownself. Just like that of Porsche.

The rewards are totally different, and from a performance perspective.

Drivers skill is another factor. The F430 or Scudaria are still very competitive machines.
As I recall the majority of the F430 race machines were not initally modifed much more
from what they were given from the factory. " In racing trim that is.. " Almost everyone
I know racing in FIA GT or Asian GT or Japanese GT series were operating modifed 911's
specific to series regulations.

However, we aren't talking about track only machines. When we talk about street cars, a lot of
folks like making up grades or modifications. Do not underestimate older machines when modifed.

Porsche and Ferrari are like apples and oranges to me. Both are Good! But, the Ferrari is going to be
a lot of fun, servicing is what you make of it. It's a vice like anything else. The sound, feeling, wow
factor of a Ferrari is iconic, no lies there. Italians are bam pow to the moon alice and explosive and emotional, Germans are mooore shall we say reserved, cool, calculated, rigid or structuerd is a better word.

The Porsche has a widen range of those that can service it. The Porsche will be new, and you it's first owner. Then again, there were cars produced before I was born or too young to aquire.

I leave it at this. I lean towards the F430. I think you have to drive both.
See which calls to your heart. I think the GTS is a fantastic machine, but I think
you will feel more excitement from a F430. Think of this as a long term toy and vice.

You lift, I accelerate.
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Wow, thank you for all the thoughts and comparisons! I have some more learning to do regarding Ferrari as I always seem to make impulse purchases when it comes to my cars, hence always buying new ones after one year.

If any of you have any recommendations for books or websites on Ferrari or the F430 please share. Lastly, I will be in LA during Christmas so if anyone here can recommend a good dealership or connection please let me know.

Awesome forum, thank you!!
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