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Spider vs Scuderia

I have started seriously looking at 430s again. 1st preference now is for a 430 Spider. Those with the spec I am looking for are all in the GBP 85k-90k range. To make matters a bit more complicated I took a quick look at 430 Scuderias. They now seem to be in the GBP 110k-120k range (16M is definitely not an option)

Is it worth forgoing the open roof for the Scuderia?

Which will hold value better over the next 2 years?

Is a 2007/2008 430 Spider really worth GBP 15-20k more than a similar spec 2005 430 Spider?
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Scott, our problem is we have way too much choice, it makes our decisions harder, however...you have been skirting around buying a F430 Spider for a while and you only have one life, go get one as it'll be a great daily youll enjoy & with Spring & Summer around the corner you can enjoy open top motoring too!

Buy a good spec'd one for the 85-90k prices you quote & you won't take a beating when you want to come out of her either. The 2008 I sold in 2010 is now the same money 2 years on...You missed the boat on Carrs' beauty and that one had lovely racing seats, so keep looking and hopefully you'll be into one before their pricing increases nearer to Spring/Summer and personally I'd opt for a 2007/8 as they made a few changes such as the addition of optional CCM Brakes etc, these perform great and they also suit/fill out the rims better IMO.

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With the stable you have Boxer, I would go for the Spider.


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Get both and go for the 16M

The Scud is value from top to bottom - all the goodies you get are ridiculous.

Titanium / Carbon Fiber more hp you name it the Scud version is fully loaded with all the right stuff guys like you live for

The Spider and I had height issues - not sure how you can get around it being the same height.
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Boxer, as I said before, you have the adreneline quotient already, so go for the spider. You can use it as a daily driver read comfortable). And you will not have to worry about depreciation, which seems to be a secondary concern.

I'd say the price difference between the 05s and 07-08s is due mainly to mileage, the newer cars generally having less. If you don't care about preservation, and/or using it as a daily driver, mileage shouldn't be a factor. In that case, I say go for an 05 Spider and drive the heck out of it.

When you want to go really fast, well.., you've got a whole other decision matrix....

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Boxer, as I said before, you have the adreneline quotient already, so go for the spider. You can use it as a daily driver read comfortable). And you will not have to worry about depreciation, which seems to be a secondary concern.

I'd say the price difference between the 05s and 07-08s is due mainly to mileage, the newer cars generally having less. If you don't care about preservation, and/or using it as a daily driver, mileage shouldn't be a factor. In that case, I say go for an 05 Spider and drive the heck out of it.

When you want to go really fast, well.., you've got a whole other decision matrix....
No offense but there were some significant upgrades from 05 - 08.
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No offense but there were some significant upgrades from 05 - 08.
Do you have a list. Would be very helpful. Thanks.
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Do you have a list. Would be very helpful. Thanks.
I went to a Wynn tech session in the early a.m. after a rough night in Vegas.

With a hangover I recall the head technician saying if you are shopping for a 430 F1 go for an 08 and up - if it's a stick didn't matter besides the ceramics.

F1 system 05-08 had a lot of upgrades. The 430 torque is somewhat lacking compared to the V12's which are a better fit with the F1 torque requirements to properly run the system efficiently from a dead stop resulting in less clutch wear.

The 08 upgrades were very helpful in running the F1 with the V8 lessening clutch wear and better shifting.

I believe in 08 the charging system was upgraded as well - can't recall the changes.

I am sure someone else here knows far more than me but that is what I recall off the top of my head.
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The Spider and I had height issues - not sure how you can get around it being the same height.
Manual racing seats apparently sit roughly an inch lower than fully electric Daytona seats.

2008 and onward models pull significantly faster full throttle shifts.

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Agree with Onno. Given what you already own, take the spider. Although I'd be interested to know why you are excluding the 16m. Would seem to fit better with the rest of your stable.
 
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Doug, I agree. I figured there were upgrades, just didn't know what they entailed. Although I still think a $20K difference would be based primarily, but not totally, on mileage (which is itself a subset of it being a "newer" car).

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Although I'd be interested to know why you are excluding the 16m. Would seem to fit better with the rest of your stable.
I would say that the 16M is difficult to find, and much more expensive. But perhaps Scottish16M would be willing to let it go for peanuts.

As for the fit with the stable - I think Boxer was looking for more of a daily driver, so the 16M might be a bit too sporty for that. A regular one is a great sporty GT which provides a nice contrast. But hey, I can't look inside Boxer's head, both options are wonderful IMHO.


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I would say that the 16M is difficult to find, and much more expensive. But perhaps Scottish16M would be willing to let it go for peanuts.

As for the fit with the stable - I think Boxer was looking for more of a daily driver, so the 16M might be a bit too sporty for that. A regular one is a great sporty GT which provides a nice contrast. But hey, I can't look inside Boxer's head, both options are wonderful IMHO.


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For a daily driver I suppose "normal" spider is better.

There was a recent thread on PH from a 430 Spider owner (see below). I think colour combination is really nice. OP says he is thinking of selling...in case Boxer is interested.

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Boxer- If you want some info on the significant differences between the early and late F430s, let me know. Like Doug said, the F1 system went through significant ECU changes. Does not take long to document the changes, most of which were software and some of which were hardware.

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Boxer- If you want some info on the significant differences between the early and late F430s, let me know. Like Doug said, the F1 system went through significant ECU changes. Does not take long to document the changes, most of which were software and some of which were hardware.
Taz, That would be very helpful. Much appreciated.
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[QUOTE=JazzyO;183081]I would say that the 16M is difficult to find, and much more expensive. But perhaps Scottish16M would be willing to let it go for peanuts.


To late, I let mine go for many, many, many bags of peanuts and a massive sack of cash too

Boxer had 1st refusal on my 16M, but feels they have a way to drop pricewise and as he is also depreciation adverse he just wants a nice cheap F430 Spider that he can buy for one peanut & enjoy instead!

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I test drove a 07 and a 08, went with the 08 as it felt sharper, I now know why, cheers
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F430 Production Changes

Now I am sorry I volunteered to do this. Here from my disorganized notes are the major changes. One of you F430 owners with a dog in this fight needs to organize something like I have attached for the 575M to make it easier to use and more complete. Will not hold my breath, however.

New engine crankcases at Engine Number (EN from now on) 89099, 116247, Assembly Number (AN from now on) 72472. New heads, valve seats AN 71274, EN 99608. New camshafts EN 97781. New ignition coils (8 replacing 4L/4R) AN 67971. New injector assembly AN 71274, EN 99608. New injector cables AN 69639, 67971. New Motonic ECUs AN 57596, 69678, 73460. New fuel pump support cover AN 67395. New intake manifolds, covers, gaskets AN 71274, EN 99608. New exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters Serial Number (SN from now on) 157672, AN 74457. New exhaust pipe AN 64274. New air/oil separator AN 65161. New water and oil pump AN 58098. New F1 hardware and F1 pump at AN 61589, 69347. New E-Diff pack AN 61702. F1 and 3 pedal clutch hoses, connectors, shields, gaskets, sensors SN 157672, AN 74557. New 3 pedal clutch throw-out bearing AN 75200. New 3 pedal gearbox control cables AN 58225. New Digitek F1 interior F1 control panel and upholstery replacing Jaeger control panel SN 149225, AN 66454. New ABS/ASR ECU AN 61537. New F&R, steel and CCM brake calipers AN 68251. New CCM rotors AN 64741.New airbag steering wheel assembly AN 60178. New starter motor bracket EN 97707. New front compartment trim AN 74672. New sun visors AN 67866. New hood/bonnet AN 74571, hinges AN 74454, gas struts AN 74558. New fuel lid actuator and back-up cable AN 65254. New door frames and locks AN 74920. New outside rearview mirror AN 74274. Wiring harness changes AN 61555, 68691, 69639, 71979. Window ECU AN 70937. F1 ECU/TCU changes non-USA, Gearbox Number 3270, 3629, 3781, SN 157672, AN 74557. Acceleration sensors SN 157672, AN 74557. Stereo/GPS SN 146597.
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Now I am sorry I volunteered to do this. Here from my disorganized notes are the major changes. One of you F430 owners with a dog in this fight needs to organize something like I have attached for the 575M to make it easier to use and more complete. Will not hold my breath, however.

New engine crankcases at Engine Number (EN from now on) 89099, 116247, Assembly Number (AN from now on) 72472. New heads, valve seats AN 71274, EN 99608. New camshafts EN 97781. New ignition coils (8 replacing 4L/4R) AN 67971. New injector assembly AN 71274, EN 99608. New injector cables AN 69639, 67971. New Motonic ECUs AN 57596, 69678, 73460. New fuel pump support cover AN 67395. New intake manifolds, covers, gaskets AN 71274, EN 99608. New exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters Serial Number (SN from now on) 157672, AN 74457. New exhaust pipe AN 64274. New air/oil separator AN 65161. New water and oil pump AN 58098. New F1 hardware and F1 pump at AN 61589, 69347. New E-Diff pack AN 61702. F1 and 3 pedal clutch hoses, connectors, shields, gaskets, sensors SN 157672, AN 74557. New 3 pedal clutch throw-out bearing AN 75200. New 3 pedal gearbox control cables AN 58225. New Digitek F1 interior F1 control panel and upholstery replacing Jaeger control panel SN 149225, AN 66454. New ABS/ASR ECU AN 61537. New F&R, steel and CCM brake calipers AN 68251. New CCM rotors AN 64741.New airbag steering wheel assembly AN 60178. New starter motor bracket EN 97707. New front compartment trim AN 74672. New sun visors AN 67866. New hood/bonnet AN 74571, hinges AN 74454, gas struts AN 74558. New fuel lid actuator and back-up cable AN 65254. New door frames and locks AN 74920. New outside rearview mirror AN 74274. Wiring harness changes AN 61555, 68691, 69639, 71979. Window ECU AN 70937. F1 ECU/TCU changes non-USA, Gearbox Number 3270, 3629, 3781, SN 157672, AN 74557. Acceleration sensors SN 157672, AN 74557. Stereo/GPS SN 146597.
Taz, Many thanks
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Terry great work

The only add is - Optima battery 34R - Ferrari started using in 2009 as the earlier ones leaked.

Also changed the charging system - read this over a year ago but don't recall where.

It may have happened when Ferrari went for weight savings in the Scud
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