Poll: 430 Scuderia or 458 Italia - Ferrari Life
View Poll Results: Scuderia or Italia?
Wait for the 458 you fool! 74 40.00%
Get the Scud now, yeah baby!! 80 43.24%
Get the scud now, trade it for the 458 in March 21 11.35%
Stick with your 550 - You don't need this modern technology!! 10 5.41%
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post #1 of 251 Old 04-16-2010, 07:53 PM Thread Starter
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Poll: 430 Scuderia or 458 Italia

OK I need some help here everyone.

Do I wait till march next year for my 458 to arrive (Assuming Ferrari actually gets me the car in time) OR do I loose my self control and buy a 430 Scuderia (One owner, 2008, 300 miles) in the next month or so? The price for these two cars is similar BTW based on the current value of the Scuderia (240 to 250k)

As background, I have always loved the more stripped out look and feel of cars like the 360CS which I owned 2 years ago, so the Scud is very appealing. However the 458 looks amazing and this will be the first time I've actually been able to afford to buy a brand new Ferrari... And no, I cannot afford both :-)

If you were me, what would you do?

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If it were my tastes, I'd just wait for the 458.
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If they make a manual 458 I would get that for shure. They scuderia is a beast though. Has such an agressive look to it and it's all stripped out. Tough call but I think my love for manuals would win out.
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The 458 is an amazing car as looks go, something back to the basics of exotic. My uncle had the regular 430, kept for a year and it was amazing. He exchanged it at the dealer when they called him asking if he wanted it because they were going down the list of who could be offered to buy it. After 2 days of thinking about it, he accepted. He gave me a ride…..OMG, what an animal of a car.

So you have to ask yourself…what do you want?

1. Raw speed, acceleration, emotion, sound, a racing brute for the road with no amenities?

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2. A regular Ferrari (by Ferrari standards) not CS, Challenge, Scuderia…you know what I mean.



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1. Raw speed, acceleration, emotion, sound, a racing brute for the road with no amenities?

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2. A regular Ferrari (by Ferrari standards) not CS, Challenge, Scuderia…you know what I mean.



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I am pretty sure the baseline Italia outperforms the 430 Scuderia. I could be mistaken, though, if someone wishes to correct me.
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Pretty sure you're right. Every new ferrari is just mind bowing compared to it's predacessor.
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Thanks guys

According to most of the reviews Ive read the 458 has the same time around Fiorano as the Enzo and the Scuderia - So I guess from a performance perspective there's not a lot in it!

Do u guys think there will be depreciation on the 458 streight out of the gate or will the values hold/even increase? The Scuderia seems to be losing value so fast at the moment, will that stabilize when the 458 hits the streets in the US I wonder?

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I can't really advise you either way, because I've been in love with the 550, 430 Scuderia and particularly the 458. I love everything about the 458, and I've been seriously contemplating buying one. But, for me, the principal question was: when you've got 3 Ferraris and the 550 has all the speed (and more) you can every hope to use on the open road, what are you buying the 458 for?

So I am determined not to buy a 458. But that is my logical self, the rest of me just wants to go out and buy one! I think, in the end, you should just let your heart decide. If you really want it, go for it, and I'm sure you'll be very happy. If you're in doubt, then it's probably not the right choice.

As for depreciation, it will stay right up there for a while. New V8 Ferraris start coming down usually in the 3rd year or so.


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I can't really advise you either way, because I've been in love with the 550, 430 Scuderia and particularly the 458. I love everything about the 458, and I've been seriously contemplating buying one. But, for me, the principal question was: when you've got 3 Ferraris and the 550 has all the speed (and more) you can every hope to use on the open road, what are you buying the 458 for?

So I am determined not to buy a 458. But that is my logical self, the rest of me just wants to go out and buy one! I think, in the end, you should just let your heart decide. If you really want it, go for it, and I'm sure you'll be very happy. If you're in doubt, then it's probably not the right choice.

As for depreciation, it will stay right up there for a while. New V8 Ferraris start coming down usually in the 3rd year or so.


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Thanks, that makes sense, like you its more an emotional choice then a logical one, I love the 550 so much I'm not sure I'll want to give it up - It may well be that the 550 + the 458 is the way to go - Better start counting the pennies :-0

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Suggest you ask 212Export. He has owned a 430 Scuderia and driven the 458 Italia.
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Suggest you ask 212Export. He has owned a 430 Scuderia and driven the 458 Italia.
Thanks Boxer - I'll do that!

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Agree with Boxer, 212Export could help out. He was kind enough to let me drive his Scud, awesome car and I agree with you Dermot in that I like cars that are more raw and stripped down. The 458 will hold its price for the next 14 - 18 months with wait lists etc, but someone here said they would make less 458s than they did F430s. If so it might hold it's price better.

BTW, I voted option 3, kind of same as option 2. Get the Scud, enjoy it for a few years, see where the 458 goes in the market, maybe they'll have a Scud version of the 458 you can then trade up to.
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Agree with Boxer, 212Export could help out. He was kind enough to let me drive his Scud, awesome car and I agree with you Dermot in that I like cars that are more raw and stripped down. The 458 will hold its price for the next 14 - 18 months with wait lists etc, but someone here said they would make less 458s than they did F430s. If so it might hold it's price better.

BTW, I voted option 3, kind of same as option 2. Get the Scud, enjoy it for a few years, see where the 458 goes in the market, maybe they'll have a Scud version of the 458 you can then trade up to.
Thanks Andrew, Boy this is a hard choice, I'm really struggling right now on this (Guess its a good problem to have :-)

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Thanks Andrew, Boy this is a hard choice, I'm really struggling right now on this (Guess its a good problem to have :-)
Where you able to get in contact with 212Export?
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Where you able to get in contact with 212Export?
I sent him a private message Boxer, waiting for him to get back to me

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Sorry guys, was terribly busy business wise the last couple of weeks (5am to 9pm kind of), and was not even able tomention a just wonderful weekend together with Boxer in the UK, driving his wonderful black Daytona for around 400 miles. But more to this on another thread.
Sorry for missing this thread so far. My thoughts: The Scuderia has the same lap time in fiorano as the 458. (weight difference) but the 458 is the faster car (to me). The 458 will depreciate like every "normal" 8 cylinder Ferrari has done so far. The 458 will be produced in numbers far greater thanthe Scud. As the Scud already has lost 25% to its sticker price, depreciation and rarity wise I would say the Scud is the better buy right now in terms of economical values. (Scuds depreciation will go on but on a flatter curve as the 458 now)
The 458 is a really fantastic and beautifull car no question about. If economical senses are on top of intellectual digestions "rounding out for a modern Ferrari" I would definitivelly rather opt for a F40 or F50 as capital preservation (and driving fun) are almost guaranteed. (as depreciation with the Scud and 458's are guaranteed as well!)
Just my 2 cents, but again both, the Scud and the 458 are phantastic !
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Agree with 212Exports comments. Have you considered an F40?
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Thanks 212export - a couple of questions: do u think the value of the 458 will hold at least for the next year or so as supply is very limited? Also from a long term perspective (5 years hence) would the scud or the 458 be the best bet?

As for the F40, I regret deeply not buying one 4 years ago when I could have picked up one for less then $390k (I was kind of put off by the high maintance overhead and cost) - of course an f40 now will cost $700k here in California so I'm kicking myself - and at that price I would start not driving the car and preserving the miles which would be a waste - thus the thought about the Scud (I owned a stradale before and really like the stripped out feel)

thanks for ur insights on this guys!!
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I do not know what the pricing of the future will be....I only do not understand why people think that the 458 will be rare, limited or some kind of "not available" ?! The 458 is Ferrari's top selling car atm and knowing Ferraris marketing behavior I'm sure they are very inclined to sell as much as possible as soon as possible of them. I would guess it will become a 15'000 to 20'000 car in the world model. The Scud probably was produced 1'500 to 3'000 after all. But as I said this all is just my guess.
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Thanks 212export - a couple of questions: do u think the value of the 458 will hold at least for the next year or so as supply is very limited? Also from a long term perspective (5 years hence) would the scud or the 458 be the best bet?
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Based on the Challenge Stradale vs 430, would have to take a Scuderia over a 458 longer term.
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