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360 F1 lube

I have a 99 360 modena with the F1. It is a daily driver .should I replace oil and transmission fluid with redline ?
If so what amount and do I use friction modifier ? How much?
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I have a 99 360 modena with the F1. It is a daily driver .should I replace oil and transmission fluid with redline ?
immediately if not sooner.

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If so what amount and do I use friction modifier ? How much?
engine 5W40 Redline 10 qts +/-

tranny 75W90NS 3 qts

FM maybe 1/2 of a 4 oz bottle to start

you need to torque oil filter 18.5 ft-lbs
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Hey Greg, what about FM for my stuff? what ya' think?

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Hey Greg, what about FM for my stuff? what ya' think?
Don't think you have the same clutch config in the Mondial rear end.

If Brian changed the oil recently he would have used Redline and that should be sufficient.

I am not as familiar with the Mondial though.

I think you are OK w/o it.
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I've just changed oil in 308 (1978) per your advice to redline products. I can't find a spec for 308 as to friction modifier. Is it required for my car? I'm thinking of driving car and if I get clatter or non function on limited slip then add FM? Thanks, Bill
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FM does NOT go in the engine.

It's for rear ends only and don't think the 308 needs it.
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Redline water wetter

Redline make a product " Water Wetter ". I bought some at the NEC Classic car show several years ago for my Healey but never got round to using it.

Does anyone have any experience or advice on this product with regard to use in a Ferrari ?

Does it function as an anti-freeze as well?

Comments / guidance / advice - all appreciated
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FM does NOT go in the engine.

It's for rear ends only and don't think the 308 needs it.
Sorry, guess I should have said lube instead of oil. I meant the transaxle and am using redline's 75/90ns. seems to be right for this arrangement but I still wonder about limited slip in differential.
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I use this in all my Deisel trucks due to heavy loads and overheating.works great so I put it in my 308 GTS too. no problem and temps seem about 10 degree cooler since. Thanks, Bill
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The need for the FM is really based on the condition of the discs in the limited slip units. The 360 uses disc's same as the 308 and Mondial.

The way I look at it is the sincro's want the least "slippery" lube as possible because they want friction between the ring and the gear to function properly. I fill them all W/O any additive and look to see how they act in a parking lot at full lock steering. If you feel binding and snapping from the limited slip disc's, put in 1/2 a bottle. If that doesnt eliminate the snapping put in the other half. If there are no ill effects felt, leave the additive out and the sincro's will work a little better. My Red 77B snapped like the dickens without additive, my white 77B was smooth as silk at the same mileage... each car is a little different based on wear.

I agree with Bill on the W/Wetter. Good product
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Dave is the right man to answer this question.

Take his advice.

He's a pro.
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Thank you Dave, that confirms my thinking and plan. Do you find any changes in lube with FM vs limited slip during cold weather? Or is that a function on transaxle temp? IE being warmed up properly? Thanks again, Bill
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Thank you Dave, that confirms my thinking and plan. Do you find any changes in lube with FM vs limited slip during cold weather? Or is that a function on transaxle temp? IE being warmed up properly? Thanks again, Bill
I dont follow the question.

I think the NS is about as good as you can get for our climate. Doesnt really matter if FM is used or not. I can feel the sincro action degrade as the amount of FM is increased. In my case I just use as little as possible to eliminate the bind and snap, usually a half bottle will do it. In cars with poor sincro's I use the MTL figuring the RL gear lube is so much better than what Ferrari was specing when the 308's were new I dont worry about the 4 vs 5 spec. At that point we are only buying time anyway.
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I think you did answer my question. I meant that if I tried out car in 20 degree temps would diff show different need for friction modifer. Your answer- no, not really. I very much appreciate the advice from someone who's 'been there, done that.' Thank you, Bill
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I think you did answer my question. I meant that if I tried out car in 20 degree temps would diff show different need for friction modifer. Your answer- no, not really. I very much appreciate the advice from someone who's 'been there, done that.' Thank you, Bill
Yes actually the temp will affect how well the sincro's function and to a degree the same with the limited slip. There is a great amount of thermo expansion when you are talking 20*F to operating temps. The thicker 'cold' lube will be harder to squeeze out from between the sincro and the gear as well as the disc's. It will also drag the gear speed up because it is thicker and make it feel like the sincro's are not working as well before it is all up to temp. With so much aluminum shedding any heat...its pretty tough to get the gearlube hot. That is one of the reasons the 246, 355 and 360 used the heat exchanger in the engine cooling system. It was to heat the gearbox up more than to cool it down.

I wouldnt judge a difference between one lube and another or the need for FM with ambiant temps below maybe 50* F. In the case of my Red 77B I would only get snapping on hot days after a hard mountain drive.
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Thank you for amplification, answer is wait 'till spring as I'm most likely going to do. Temps now in high teens with snow and -20's for next week.Again, thank you very much as I had wondered alot regarding the effects of FM vs syncro's. If you've got warm weather, enjoy because I reckon we'll be sending some of this cold your way. I'm thankful too for my heated garage. Thanx, Bill
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