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post #1 of 18 Old 08-03-2009, 07:16 PM Thread Starter
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Engine starting issue

I have started my F430 about twenty-five times. Each time following the correct procedure, and without issue. When I tried this morning, it felt very rough after starting. I let it set for a minute and backed it out of the garage. When I put it into 1st, it was running very rough, so I pulled over to the side of the street (in front of my house), put it in neutral, and was about to shut it off, when it shut itself off.

Without knowing what to do: call for a truck, call the dealer, push it into the circular drive, etc., I decided to wait a minute with the car off and try the starting procedure again. This time it fired like nothing had ever happened.

When I called the dealer and his mechanic later in the day, they both said that sometimes one bank will fire, while the other does not - basically two separate 4-cylinder engines. They both agreed this happens a few times a year with an F430.

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I had a similar issue a few times with the 360 Challenge. Normally just shut it down and then restarted and it was fine.

I was told at the time to give the car a bit of extra time to run through all the pre-ignition checks before starting up.
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With engine off remove gas cap and reinstall.

Sometimes in warm areas an extra bit of pressure builds up in the tanks and can cause minor issues when car is first started.

You will also experience the problem when you park the car after a drive and restart to put in garage, etc. Next time you start it the same scenario will occur.

Just turn off and restart. It should then run fine.
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You also want to make sure your gas cap is very tight after fueling. It will cause CEL's if loose.

And my additional advice is to never completely fill the tanks. For some reason I have few issues with 1/2 - 3/4 full.
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yup, the gas cap can cause problems....on the newer ones.

I've had a rough issue, too, when I start the car up too fast after a long time on the charger......best way to start the car up after a long stay on charger is to turn key to the 'on' position but not engage the starter....let is sit there for about 1min. while the computer cycle and re-calibrate....

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Rik,

Is that start issue on the 456?
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The other day I started my F430 in 1st gear instead of neutral. It felt very odd and underpowered. I remember reading this very thread and simply shut off the engine and restarted in neutral. A ok! Ps. Must have been the same 4 cylinder deal lol!
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With engine off remove gas cap and reinstall.

Sometimes in warm areas an extra bit of pressure builds up in the tanks and can cause minor issues when car is first started.

You will also experience the problem when you park the car after a drive and restart to put in garage, etc. Next time you start it the same scenario will occur.

Just turn off and restart. It should then run fine.

the ol' gas cap deal: How about battery charge, perhaps getting a low charge to the ECUs?

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That can occur as well but CEL's coming on after fueling or close to it usually point to a loose gas cap or a bad rubber seal.
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Dear Colonel,
I am not at home to reconfirm from the manual but I think it says that for any abnormalities in the general electronic governance of the car as well as when changing batteries: Turn ignition on for more than 30 seconds. Turn ignition off. Wait for more than five seconds. Crank the engine up like normally. That procedure is apparently the command for general system's calibration.

As I'm sure you know, a low battery will almost always give system's messages that are false and it can refuse changing gears in manual whereas in automatic it will change gears fine.

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Quite an old thread here, but just goes to show that a forum search can be quite helpful.
Ran into a similar problem with my 360 this AM. Took her off the tender, on my way to a local exotics meet up this AM, went thru the usual startup procedure, waited for the Check OK, turned the ignition and........crickets :/. Since I am really unsure of the age of my battery, I assumed that was the most likely cause. But as I searched the forum, I somehow saw this thread and what Capo (which as coincidence would have it, is also the name of one of my pugs. go figure) had wrote. So thought, might as well give it a shot......Ignition on.....30-45 seconds.....ignition off....5 seconds...held my breath the whole time.......and then fired it up and there it was....the deep gurgle of the exhaust....my baby was back!! Ended up missing the meet up, but was a thousand times happier knowing I could just take her out and let her run, meet up or not!
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I had the same exact thing happen to me recently. It was running only on 4 cylinders instead of 8. Felt very rough and had no throttle response. Took her back in the garage and let he stay put for a bit, fired her back up and back to normal. So your not the only one that ran into this problem.
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You also want to make sure your gas cap is very tight after fueling. It will cause CEL's if loose.

And my additional advice is to never completely fill the tanks. For some reason I have few issues with 1/2 - 3/4 full.
I always top off the gas tank after a drive to avoid excessive condensation.
It sounds like this is not a good idea now?

Good thread
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I always top off the gas tank after a drive to avoid excessive condensation.
It sounds like this is not a good idea now?

Good thread
I try to do the same, especially with the cars that have bag tanks.
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How many ECU units are on the 430 engine?
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Mike, here's the list of all the F430 ECU's:

E001 Control panel (NQS)
M001 Airbag node (NAB)
M005 Engine control node (NCM)
M006 Brake system node (NFR)
M008 Tyre pressure ecu (NTP)
M009 Suspension control node (NCS)
M012 Alarm system siren ecu (CSA)
M018 Robotized gearbox node (NCR)
M025 Air conditioner and heating system node (NCL)
M027 Electronic differential node
M028 Bluetooth ecu
M030 Direction indicators flash light
M031 Windscreen wiper timer
M032 Ceiling light timer
M034 Power window ECU
M035 Door lock ECU
M036 Immobilizer ECU
M037 Wheel Node (NVO)

E001Control panel (NQS)M001Airbag node (NAB)M005Engine control node (NCM)
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