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new tires for my 575M

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I'm having major belt service on my 575M. Tires have good tread but too much age. Heart says Pirelli P-Zero Rossos since the first owner of my old 365GTC speciale was Pirelli CEO Leopoldo Pirelli and Pirelli compted me a set of tires for the car many years ago.

But I have heard very good things about the new Michelins.

Bear in mind that I will not track the car except for regular 'parade' laps at the Glen and Lime Rock. On public roads, including surrounding Adirondack 2-lanes I drive assertively but not aggressively - tho' SWMBO might dissent from this view.

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Seth,


I drive much as you describe.
For my 360 Spider, I went with the OEM P-Zeros. To me, they are perfect, and good balance between sticky and comfort. Since I don't drive the car in winter, I am not concerned with how they perform in freezing conditions.


For the 456, it will be a different story as there aren'tt many choices in the OEM sizes.
So I'm equally curious to hear what the experts have to say.

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Seth,


I drive much as you describe.
For my 360 Spider, I went with the OEM P-Zeros. To me, they are perfect, and good balance between sticky and comfort. Since I don't drive the car in winter, I am not concerned with how they perform in freezing conditions.


For the 456, it will be a different story as there aren'tt many choices in the OEM sizes.
So I'm equally curious to hear what the experts have to say.
P-Zero Rossos are on the car now, Killer

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Seth- Since you have 19" wheels, I would go with the replacement for the MPSS (I have MPSS tires on mine), the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. The 4S is supposed to be even better than the MPSS, the tires everyone else has been chasing. Just checked yesterday and they are available from TireRack for our 575Ms in 255/35 19 and 305/30 19 sizes. No sizes for 550s or 575s with 18" wheels yet.

Incidentally, I love the MPSS, so the 4S should be even better.

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A big fan of Michelins, while not on the F cars, I have Michelins on my RUF and MB E60.

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Pirelli is now owned by ChemChina. The Chinese approach to quality is very different, to put it politely. Would you trust a tire made by a Chinese company? Or am I way to cynical? :-)

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Pirelli is now owned by ChemChina. The Chinese approach to quality is very different, to put it politely. Would you trust a tire made by a Chinese company? Or am I way to cynical? :-)
Money talks big, I guess.

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Pirelli is now owned by ChemChina. The Chinese approach to quality is very different, to put it politely. Would you trust a tire made by a Chinese company? Or am I way to cynical? :-)
Twenty Formula 1 race cars race on them twenty times a year so those teams must trust Pirelli.

too cynical :-(

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Now have another issue: both Michelin and Pirelli state their new super tires must not suffer cold temperatures which can break down the compounds added to their tires and cause cracking. Must be warmed first. Last two winters ago my 575M spent in my unheated garage, last winter with my Maserati in an unheated storage facility 16 miles north of my home. Air temperatures - not wind chill - each winter reached -15 F to -20 F. Wondering if permanent damage can result. I am beginning to believe that if I can find a set of the immediately preceding Michelin Pilot Super Sport from the end of the production run to avoid having dated tires when they go on the car, I may be safer. Clearly they are excellent tires and I'm not tracking the Maranello nor driving so aggressively as perhaps even to notice the difference.

Thoughts, guys? and gals?

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Seth- I drive my MPSS tires in freezing weather, mostly dry, and they have worked fine. Just do not expect quite as high cornering or braking capability until they get well warmed. In freezing rain or slush, they probably would again have degraded capabilities, but I do not drive her when it is like that. The GL 550 with her M&S Contis is better for that.

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Seth- If you look at the latest issue of C&D, they do a comparison of max performance summer tires. Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 1st, Conti 2nd, Pirelli P Zero Z4 way back in 3rd, etc.

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Hi Seth,
I never had MPSS, then i can't compare ... but on my daily driver i had MPS2, Bridgestone RE050A and continental SportContact 2, the best for me was the Bringestone, second the conti and MPS2 the last ....
On Ferrari 550 I had the Bringestone Potenza S02, that i loved ... at first change they wasn't available and i opted for the Bridgestone RE050A, good but not like the S02 ...
When i purchased the 575 he had the BRE050A 19", those tyres was better that the 18" of my 550.
Two years ago i replaced by the Pirelli P0Corsa, i wanted to test because was the original equipment of the HGTC ...
Another planet! The car is changed in better, grip more high and steering more precise ...
Those tyres have high wear but i prefere becasue i drove less km per year (2500) and i not want that become old my tyres ....

However i think that the MPSS are a better choice for a normal use in particular if km per year are not less like me.

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Hi Seth, I never had MPSS, then i can't compare........When i purchased the 575 he had the BRE050A 19", those tyres was better that the 18" of my 550. Two years ago i replaced by the Pirelli P0Corsa, i wanted to test because was the original equipment of the HGTC......Another planet! The car is changed in better, grip more high and steering more precise ......Those tyres have high wear but i prefere becasue i drove less km per year (2500) and i not want that become old my tyres ....However i think that the MPSS are a better choice for a normal use in particular if km per year are not less like me.

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Hi Fabio (and Taz) and many thanks. Yesterday Judith and I drove to Boston area to collect the 575 where Ferrari New England had just completed a major belt service. In the end I followed your and Taz' advice and chose the Michelin Pilot Super Sports. As I wrote, during our winter the car is stored in a secure, dry but unheated facility. Our winter temperatures can easily fall into the -20 F to -25 F = -29 C to -32 C. and both Michelin and Pirelli advise that storing the tires in extreme cold temperatures can actually damage the new super performane tires. Everything I've heard and read tells me that the MP SS are a good choice and FNE ensured that I got fresh tires - they're dated in the last two weeks of 2016 so must be from last production. P.S. on the 225 mile drive home the Michelins felt fine, on the Mass Turnpike as well as on some rough pavement occasionally encountered. Of course no opportunity at all to test handling or steering turn-in at speed.

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Seth- I love mine and think you will, too, after some more time with them.

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Good Choice Seth

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