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post #21 of 77 Old 01-28-2015, 02:10 PM
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Goliat,
Thanks for your opinion and experience, is very interesting!
I also think to install PSC2 but i thinked are bad in wet on street, if i understand you tell that are not so bad, correct?
PSC2 are OE delivery of 458 speciale .
Do you tested the BS001? For you are better than 050A?
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Goliat,
Thanks for your opinion and experience, is very interesting!
I also think to install PSC2 but i thinked are bad in wet on street, if i understand you tell that are not so bad, correct?
PSC2 are OE delivery of 458 speciale .
Do you tested the BS001? For you are better than 050A?


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Always in my humild opinion, the PSC2 are suitable for a 911 GT3, a 430-458 Scuderia or that kind of car, a "trackday car", that for me is the closest to a racing car that a road legal car can become.


The 575M, a proper GT, is better suited with PSS, as its a tremendously fast road car that can attend a track-day session and defend itself (with PSS fitted indeed) decently, but you can never expect the car to be a marvel in that enviroment. Yes, it can cope with it, can defend itself decently, can be fast but will always be way to heavy, long, under-powered in braking terms and uncapable on the limit because the suspension wasn't designed for that task. Indeed that task is for a 430 Scuderia, it was designed for that porpouse.


Changing roles, for a fast road trip, the 575M will be far better suited to the task than a 430 Scuderia, because it was designed to be the best doing exactly that. Silent, confortable, thought and built to cover ground like a lightning with zero effort... the Scuderia will blow your ears, break your back, and will demand you constant attention because every single bump will need correction in such a direct act-response calibrated chasis (and your wife will be fed up in 50 miles)... as the 575M on track, the 430 Scuderia can cope with it but on mountain course fully lit or a trackday session is at home, not travelling fast during long distances... a 360 mile blast in in three hours time can be a pain on a Scuderia while its a joy on a 575M.


So, as its not a trackday car, again always in my opinion, the best of a 575 (with HGTC, FHP or plain) comes with the PSS. The PSC2 will just make evident how much the car weights and will outperform the suspension... and you can think in changing the suspension to be able to unleash the grip available... and done that you will realise the car has became almost undrivable on the limit because of the weight as the inertias past the limit will be so difficult to deal with the car will became even dangerous.


Really, with PSS the car is a joy... and if you have FHP or HGTC, more even. But my opinion about fitting the PSC2 and try to extract what they´re able to give its nigh on impossible in a 575M, it wasn't thought for it.


Another theme will be to fit them just because you want to and use give them road use. You will maybe be a bit faster on the limit (just maybe), will last one third compared and if it rains will be quite nice, but less capable than the PSS.


As my car will never enter a track-day (that's the GT3 task), my car will run on PSS (or the best sport-street rubber compound available).


As an example I have a friend that started three years ago with a 997 Carrera S... he´s a very good driver and was dead fast with the Carrera S, but wanted something more edgy and potent, for mountain course driving on weekends and trackdays. I suggested him to go for a GT3, but he ended with a 997 Turbo a year after... and fitted Bilstein PSS10 with H&R springs, plates for extra geometry adjustment, strut bar upfront, bigger Brembos with Endless pads, ECU remap, complete Akrapovic exhaust... and the car did perform worse in street and still couldn't match a GT3 RS 3.8 in trackday pace having 150Hp more. Finally, eight months ago he returned to factory specs the 997Turbo, sold it and got a GT3 RS 3.8. Now he has a uneraseable smile every time he takes the car for a spin or attends a trackday and always says to me "please don't tell again you told me this was the way to go, you were right, now I know".


What do you want from a car? Get the car that ticks the right boxes and if you do nobody will be happier. Try to force a car to do what´s not intended for and you´ll end with an empty pocked a crap to drive. Or so I think.


About the Bridgestone S001, haven't tried them, so cant give you an opinion.

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575Ms are not always underbraked. The HGTCs have 398 mm CCMs F and 360 mm rear. The FHP brakes work great on a track, too (Pagid 4-4 Orange racing pads), but often squeal on the street until well worn or properly bedded. Even then, they will squeal occasionally. Mine did until I installed the ceramics. Only the front FHPs squeal.

Mine has overkill Mov'It CERs, 396 mm F and, soon, 362 mm R, with much larger Pagid pads than the OEM Brembo CCMs.
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575Ms are not always underbraked. The HGTCs have 398 mm CCMs F and 360 mm rear. The FHP brakes work great on a track, too (Pagid 4-4 Orange racing pads), but often squeal on the street until well worn or properly bedded. Even then, they will squeal occasionally. Mine did until I installed the ceramics. Only the fronts squeal.

Mine has overkill Mov'It CERs, 396 mm F and, soon, 362 mm R, with much larger Pagid pads than the OEM Brembo CCMs.


I forgot about the ceramics, that I have never tried in a 575M (have tried in other models). With the FHP brakes (Pagids), the car obviously gains a lot in bite and almost a world in resistance to fade (in my car complemented with stainless steel braided lines).


As I said the car can cope with it, and surprises people with the progress it makes (for the weight and size) and the punch of the engine (what an engine, simply delicious) in straight line performance but it´s not it´s natural habitat, which for me is another virtue of this car because not being its place, man how well it behave and performs.

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550_Maranello,


Always in my humild opinion, the PSC2 are suitable for a 911 GT3, a 430-458 Scuderia or that kind of car, a "trackday car", that for me is the closest to a racing car that a road legal car can become.

About the Bridgestone S001, haven't tried them, so cant give you an opinion.
Good Morning Goliat,
thanks again for your impressions, yes my probability to go on track is very less, that the PSS or B I think are the best solution, like the choice of you and Terry.
Did you listen my video?

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575Ms are not always underbraked. The HGTCs have 398 mm CCMs F and 360 mm rear. The FHP brakes work great on a track, too (Pagid 4-4 Orange racing pads), but often squeal on the street until well worn or properly bedded. Even then, they will squeal occasionally. Mine did until I installed the ceramics. Only the fronts squeal.

Mine has overkill Mov'It CERs, 396 mm F and, soon, 362 mm R, with much larger Pagid pads than the OEM Brembo CCMs.
Terry, your yellow caliper are so great look ...!!!:thu mbsup:
My HGTC have red caliper, nice but yellow is the must for me .....

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Some pictures only for show those tyres.
I taked a decision!! ... my new tire repairer will be that one in the last picture .....i think it have most experience ...... ahahaha
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Some pictures only for show those tyres.
I taked a decision!! ... my new tire repairer will be that one in the last picture .....i think it have most experience ...... ahahaha

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Some pictures only for show those tyres.
I taked a decision!! ... my new tire repairer will be that one in the last picture .....i think it have most experience ...... ahahaha
Excellent choice Fabio!
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Did you listen my video?


I did... music in heaven should sound very approximate!!! Gorgeous!!!

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Even though the Pirelli P Zero Coras don't last as long as the equivalent Michelin Pilot Sport 2 (or SuperSport), and even though they apparently don't give enough warning at the limit, I foolishly still feel like I would like a set of Pirelli's on my 575 and to see the red "P" on the wheel. I guess its a similar addiction to wanting a Ferrari, though not quite as much.
Right now I have Pilot Sports.
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Even though the Pirelli P Zero Coras don't last as long as the equivalent Michelin Pilot Sport 2 (or SuperSport), and even though they apparently don't give enough warning at the limit, I foolishly still feel like I would like a set of Pirelli's on my 575 and to see the red "P" on the wheel. I guess its a similar addiction to wanting a Ferrari, though not quite as much.
Right now I have Pilot Sports.

The PZero Corsa are the equivalent to Pilot Sport Cup, not to PS2, that are equivalent to PZero Rosso. The PSS replaced the PS2.

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The PZero Corsa are the equivalent to Pilot Sport Cup, not to PS2, that are equivalent to PZero Rosso. The PSS replaced the PS2.
So in other words I should only consider the Pirelli PZero Rosso or the Michelin PS2 in future.
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Interesting video by my favourite magazine test driver Chris Harris, on the Pirelli PZero Trofeo R:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrLQpAt5Mes
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Clyde- You lucked out, the Michelin Pilot Super Sports (MPSS) are now available in 255/40 18 and 295/35 18 sizes. So you will be set. Way better tires than the old Pirelli P Zero Rossos or Michelin Pilot Sport 2s, both over a decade old designs.

If you want a red letter on them, get a stencil and paint one on them. Probably better to paint a red M than a red P, though.

The MPSS was introduced on the 599 GTO in 2011.

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Clyde- You lucked out, the Michelin Pilot Super Sports (MPSS) are now available in 255/40 18 and 295/35 18 sizes. So you will be set. Way better tires than the old Pirelli P Zero Rossos or Michelin Pilot Sport 2s, both over a decade old designs.

If you want a red letter on them, get a stencil and paint one on them. Probably better to paint a red M than a red P, though.

The MPSS was introduced on the 599 GTO in 2011.
Lol! Thanks Terry . This is actually good news as previously I don't think the 255/40's were available in 18" sizes? Well, you are the expert Terry (and I think everyone here would agree), so I guess I should follow your advice when I'm due (probably later this Summer or maybe later depending on how much track time I'll do). Everything you've recommended so far has been "spot on". I think I'll forget about the red paint though .
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Clyde- I actually think it was the rear 295/35 18 size that was missing, but right now the MPSS is the best pure street tire for Ferraris, DOT legal race tires notwithstanding. For those, Sport Cup 2s are the ticket.

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Goliat, welcome in FL and in Maranello's family ....
Congratulations, we are waiting for pictures ....
For a better sound, all the advise by Taz are good advise, if you like something different you can read my post and see my video ...

F575 sport exhaust manifolds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkRUkO3K8T0

I have a question about tyres, how it was the P0 corsa? And now the PSS how are?
Can tell your impression about the difference about two kind of tyres.
Thanks



What setup do you have? That sounds epic! I want
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What setup do you have? That sounds epic! I want



Hi James,
I have my configuration, my for desing and manufacture ....
see my thread


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Clyde- You lucked out, the Michelin Pilot Super Sports (MPSS) are now available in 255/40 18 and 295/35 18 sizes. So you will be set. Way better tires than the old Pirelli P Zero Rossos or Michelin Pilot Sport 2s, both over a decade old designs.

If you want a red letter on them, get a stencil and paint one on them. Probably better to paint a red M than a red P, though.

The MPSS was introduced on the 599 GTO in 2011.



I'm oriented to P0 corsa system, but i have time....
I wrote directly to Pirelli and they answered me that are available for the front tyre the "Direzionale" and at the rear the "Asimmetrico 2".
Same kind of the original delivery of Lamborghini today ...or of LaFerrari


http://www.ansa.it/motori/notizie/ru..._10175681.html

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